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2006 Subway 500

 * Nominator(s): Z105space   (talk)  20:05, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

This article is about the 2006 Subway 500 (today called the Goody's Headache Relief Shot 500 for sponsorship purposes), a NASCAR stock car race held at Martinsville Speedway won by Jimmie Johnson. I created this article in January 2015 and it attained GA status that same month. I made a further expansion of the article in August and it had a copy-edit from the GOCE in September. I look forward to any comments regarding this article. Z105space  (talk)  20:05, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Comments from Mike Christie

 * The article lead doesn't mention that Labonte took the race lead on lap 406 -- at least, that's how I understand the race section of the article. Johnson led for over 250 laps, right?  I can see the lead doesn't need all the details, but I'd either give every lead change or make it clear that some are omitted.
 * Added mention of Labonte moving into lead on lap 406 in the lead section. Z105space   (talk)  18:41, 24 October 2015 (UTC)


 * "The result advanced him to third in the Drivers' Championship, forty-one points behind Matt Kenseth (who took over the lead when Jeff Burton retired during the race; this caused him to fall to fifth in the championship, one point behind Hamlin)." I don't follow this.  Kenseth took the race lead or the Championship lead?  Who fell to fifth; Kenseth?  If Kenseth fell to fifth, what did he take over the lead of?
 * Kenseth took over the lead of the Drivers' Championship which I have added into the lead section. Z105space   (talk)  18:41, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, but who fell to fifth? Johnson went to third, so it's not him; Kenseth was in the lead, so it's not him. If it's Burton, make it "this caused Burton". Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 02:27, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Burton fell to fifth in the Drivers' Championship after the race. Z105space   (talk)  05:37, 25 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Is "banked at zero degrees" the usual way to describe it? If so, that's fine; to a non-aficionado it would sound more natural to say "not banked", but if this is the usual phrasing there's no need to change it, since it's clear what is meant.
 * Your suggestion has been taken in. Z105space   (talk)  18:41, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I tweaked it some more. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 02:27, 25 October 2015 (UTC)


 * "Gordon had the highest speed of the three days, at 175.553 miles per hour": in the fourth session? You don't say so and so it's not clear when he recorded this speed.
 * Gordon did record the speed in the fourth session of the test. Z105space   (talk)  18:41, 24 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I can't make the speed arithmetic work. If the fastest lap is 19 seconds, and a lap is 0.526 miles, then that's about 180 laps an hour, which would be around 100 miles per hour.  How come the top speeds are around 175 mph?
 * I think that would be an answer for more experienced NASCAR editors to answer as I'm fairly new to the sport. Z105space   (talk)  18:41, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, but I think it needs to be answered. I see further down the article that the top speeds in the race are around 99 mph, so how could they do 175 in practice? Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 02:27, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment This test was taking place at Homestead-Miami Speedway, which is a longer track and thus allows for higher speeds. --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 11:10, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * D'oh. My fault; that's in the article.  Struck. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 11:56, 25 October 2015 (UTC)


 * "At the start weather conditions were overcast, with the air temperature around 48 °F (9 °C) and rain showers (which occurred earlier in the day) forecast." This sentence structure doesn't really work, because if we're at the start the rain showers have already occurred, so they're not forecast any more.
 * Sentence structure has been amended. Z105space   (talk)  18:41, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * If I didn't misunderstand the earlier form of the sentence, what you now have is factually incorrect -- at the start rain was not forecast; it had already happened. How about something like "Rain showers were forecast for the day of the race, and at the start weather conditions were overcast and some rain had already fallen.  The air temperature was around 48F."? Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 02:27, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The above suggestion has been taken in to account Z105space   (talk)  05:37, 25 October 2015 (UTC)


 * "Jeff Burton drove to his garage on lap 218 when a carburetor problem (after switching to a second ignition) caused him to run slower than his rivals": another sentence structure problem. Tell us about the second ignition before mentioning the carburetor; it's clumsy as a parenthesis.
 * I have amended this sentence structure. Z105space   (talk)  18:41, 24 October 2015 (UTC)


 * "Most of the drivers stayed on the track during the caution, allowing Johnson to remain the leader at the restart." Why do other drivers staying on the track allow Johnson to remain leader?  Surely it only matters if he stays on the track?
 * Those drivers chose not to make pit stops which I have included. Z105space   (talk)  18:41, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, that's not what I meant. What I meant was that the sentence doesn't make sense -- if Johnson is in the lead, and if nobody can pass him because there's a caution, then if he doesn't pit he stays in the lead.  What other drivers do makes no difference.  So saying he remained leader because other drivers didn't pit seems like a non sequitur.  Am I missing something? Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 02:27, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I have changed the sentence to say Johnson maintained his lead at the restart. Z105space   (talk)  05:37, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 16:45, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Support. I think the prose is now FA-quality, and the article seems comprehensive. I have not spot-checked the sources. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:56, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Comments from Harrias
Table comments
 * The sortable Race results table should sort by the driver surname, not first name.
 * When sorting by Points, Kurt Busch sorts of out position, I guess because of the footnote?
 * I have removed the sortable section in the race results table to fall in line with two other NASCAR race reports which are FA. Z105space   (talk)  12:47, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Image comments
 * The first image, File:Martinsville Backstretch.JPG claims to be from the "2005 Martinsville spring race", but the EXIF data says 2 April 2006, which was the date of the 2006 DirecTV 500 at Martinsville. The description should be updated to reflect this.
 * Done. Z105space   (talk)  12:21, 2 November 2015 (UTC)


 * File:National Guard Bureau.jpg needs a personality rights warning (see the one on File:TSM350 - Kurt Busch 2 - 2015 - Stierch.jpg).
 * Done. Z105space   (talk)  12:21, 2 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Same for File:JimmieJohnsonAugust2007 cropped.jpg and File:JimmieJohnsonAugust2007 cropped.jpg. Harrias talk 10:04, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Done though the two links are to the same picture. Z105space   (talk)  12:21, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Oops! The second was meant to be File:Matt-kenseth-bristol-2009.jpg. Harrias talk 12:31, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Done

Are there any other outstanding issues? Z105space  (talk)  12:47, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * All the images are appropriately licensed, and the table meets the guidelines. Harrias talk 15:50, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Comments – The issues raised have been rectified. Z105space  (talk)  06:00, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Background: "and was replaced by 2002 Daytona 500 champion Ward Burton. Burton...". Try not to have the last word of a sentence start the next one like this.
 * Sentence has been reworded Z105space   (talk)  06:00, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Practice and qualification: Hyphen needed in "thirteenth fastest".
 * Done Z105space   (talk)  06:00, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Also need a couple others in similar instances later in the section. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 03:26, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Done Z105space   (talk)  06:00, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Support – Now that the few issues above have been taken care of, I believe that this meets the FA criteria. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 22:04, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Support. I made one minor copyedit to tweak the date and archive formatting in some background section refs but saw no other outstanding issues. Prose seems okay after the GoCE looked at it and the remaining minor problems have been addressed by others. Looks good to me. --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 23:51, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Comment; the lead image is very small and even in mediaviewer the text is fairly unreadable, is there not a higher resolution alternate? --Errant (chat!) 22:34, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately not. I have replaced the image with the event's logo which should be more easier to read. Z105space   (talk)  06:24, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Source review - all OK
 * No dead links.
 * Formatting looks consistent with detailed source information.
 * While I am no topic expert, sources appear to be reliable for such a topic (mainstream news, sports news, major websites and magazines).
 * Having skimmed through a few random source texts, no obvious factual problems. GermanJoe (talk) 20:35, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 09:59, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
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