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2007 World Cup of Pool

 * Nominator(s):  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 17:01, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

This article is about the 2007 edition of the World Cup of Pool. This is a doubles event played every year. An exciting event that came down to the very last couple of balls. I've only promoted one previous pool event (2019 WPA World Ten-ball Championship) so I'd appreciate any comments you might have about this article  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 17:01, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Comments

 * Will do a full review later, but one drive-by comment on the lead - you have "deciding rack" linked to Glossary of cue sports terms, but as no such anchor exists on that article it just takes me to the top. Scrolling down to D reveals that there isn't even a listing for "deciding rack", unless it's the same as "deciding frame"........? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:51, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, yeah. They are the same thing (a rack is the same as a frame). I'll fix that.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:26, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

More comments Support from Chris

 * Name of the venue is different in the lead to the infobox and first para of the body
 * "with players taking shots alternatively" - think you mean "alternately". "Alternatively" means something quite different
 * Any reason for italics on alternative breaks?
 * "play alternating shots in scotch doubles style" - no need to link for a second time
 * "played from 25 to 27 September as a race to eight" - earlier you had hyphens in "race-to-[whatever]"
 * "The pair met the Dutch B team; and won six racks" - don't think that semi-colon is needed
 * "The defending champions Filipino pair" - don't think this works grammatically
 * "The other semi-final match was played between China, seeded 8th and the unseeded Japanese team" => "The other semi-final match was played between China, seeded 8th, and the unseeded Japanese team"
 * "The final had a lot of dry breaks, with six in the first 15 racks, having had just ten in the rest of the tournament" => "The final had a lot of dry breaks, with six in the first 15 racks, there having been just ten in the rest of the tournament"
 * "Below is the results" => "Below are the results"
 * Think that's it! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:22, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delay . I've done the above  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:21, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:23, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Comments from TAOT

 * You have a space in "SBS 6", but the article in question consistently uses "SBS6" with no space.
 * Yeah, makes sense. I can't say I'm an expert on Dutch TV. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:39, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The first round of the event was played from 25 to 27 September as a race-to-eight racks contradicts the format section, which states Matches were played as a race-to-nine racks until the final.
 * Added  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:39, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Link deciding rack as the first mention in the body.
 * Done  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:39, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * You have Taiwan as "Chinese Taipei" in the results bracket, but as "Taiwan" elsewhere. This could cause confusion.
 * yeah, sources aren't helpful here, as https://www.azbilliards.com/world-cup-of-pool-team-taiwan-show-their-class/ lists them as "Team Taiwan", whereas http://www.azbilliards.com/tournament/1772-partypoker-world-cup-of-pool-2007/?action=results lists them as at least using the Chinese Taipei flag. I've changed it to "Taiwan" for now, but retained the flag. I know this is a contentious subject, so I'd prefer someone with more understanding make sure I'm not misrepresenting.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:39, 29 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Any possibility of adding more photos?
 * I'll have a look, but I doubt anything is suitable. We have basically no images of pool players.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:39, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The prize funding table is confusing, as the other listed amounts do not add up to $250,000. I suggest noting which award amounts were given to more than one team to make this clear. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 15:08, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * It does make sense if you look at the draw - obviously there will be more first round losers than second round losers, because the field cuts in half at each point. I don't think we benefit from stating that 16 teams all gained the money for losing in the first round. That's why we include a total to begin with.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:39, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I've covered the above, and left a note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Taiwan to clarify the deal with the flags and such. Thanks for your review.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:47, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Great. I think your explanation regarding the table makes sense. I've given the article another readthrough, and I have no further comments on the prose. Support on prose. By the way, the ping didn't go through - my username is lowercase after the first letter! Trainsandotherthings (talk) 23:09, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Comments from Z1720
Non-expert prose review:


 * "Rogers Sportsnet in Canada, Solar Entertainment in the Philippines;" Should this comma be a semi-colon to be consistent with the formatting of this list?
 * "and Videoland in Taiwan." Is this Videoland Television Network? If so, wikilink.
 * "Finland won the lag, but made a dry break in the opening rack, but retained the break throughout the match as they won 9–0." Replace or delete one of the "but"s.
 * Spot-checked the lede and infobox; the information was in the article's body.

Those are my comments. Please ping when the above are addressed. Z1720 (talk) 16:56, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I've covered the above.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:20, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * My comments have been addressed, so I can support. Z1720 (talk) 15:28, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Comments from NØ
Additionally, if you liked this review, or are looking for items to review, my current FAC could use some comments.--NØ 11:50, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Would it be possible to be consistent with whether the poker website is referred to as "PartyPoker.com" or "Partypoker"?
 * I've changed one ref where we are talking about the name. The event is specifically "ParktyPoker.com World...", But the name of the company is partypoker - personally I think it should be Partypoker. This shouldn't be necessarily the same as the name of the proper name of the event as a whole.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 17:59, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
 * "The defending champions were the Filipino team of Efren Reyes ..." - "Filipino team consisting of Efren Reyes ..."
 * Done  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:01, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I think its alternate title of "the 2007 PartyPoker.com World Cup of Pool" should occur once in the body of the article as well, as it isn't sourced in the lead.
 * Added to body - sourced to source already in Body.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:01, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
 * There are four sentences beginning with "The event" in the Format section, three of them consecutive. You can use "It" instead to bring some variation.
 * Done  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:05, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
 * "The Japan team of Naoyuki Ōi and Satoshi Kawabata" - Maybe "The Japanese team" to be consistent with how the other teams are introduced.
 * Sure.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:05, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
 * "and having trailed 6–7 won the final two racks to win 8–7" - Is it possible to write this as "and having trailed 6–7 won the final two racks with 8–7" without the repetition "won ... win", without changing the meaning?
 * I've changed it slightly to avoid this.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:05, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
 * There seems to be inconsistency in how the refs are expressed, with both AzBilliards and azbilliards.com in use, as well as both worldcupofpool.com and worldcupofpool.
 * Sure, I'll make my way through them.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:05, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, no drama, I'll leave some comments in a bit .  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:05, 9 April 2023 (UTC)


 * , nudge. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:46, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I hadn't seen this. Shouldn't take more than a few minutes. Shall get to this later today.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:15, 9 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Support--NØ 11:45, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Image review -- GTG
One image with appropriate licence and working link. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 20:22, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Request for the coordinators

 * Hi . I know traditionally we don't allow another item before the source review concludes, but I don't have a co-nomination right now (and haven't got any lined up for this purpose). As it looks like all I'm awaiting is a source review, would you mind me doing another solo item?  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 09:19, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi LV, sorry, but no. Once we start allowing that sort of dospensation we are into thin end of hte wedge/slippery slope territory. (And someone is likely to re-open the why do we allow a second nom before the first is closed anyway issue.) So practice patience, and/or neutrally ask around editors who may wish to do the source review. Gog the Mild (talk) 11:30, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Not sure if you have already, but you may now open a second FAC nomination. Gog the Mild (talk) 23:34, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I hadn't, I shall do now.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 08:37, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Source review – pass

 * The article heavily relies on AzBilliards.com (14 out 24 times). What makes it a high-quality reliable source?
 * Sure, AZBilliards is pretty much the industry standard now. They have been open since the laste 90s with a big team, and they publish results and news from their large in-house team as well as the journalist network. There is a forum side of the website (which, we obviously stay far clear from) but the actual news and results are of the highest standard.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 06:25, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, and they also publish the Billiard Buzz magazine, which I think has been going since like 2015.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 06:26, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * FN 7: it seems Philippines take first ever PartyPoker.com World Cup of Pool" was published on August 27, 2006 by Matchroom Sport. I would include Matchroom Sport as the publisher and add The Break. FrB.TG (talk) 05:58, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * - have these been satisfactorily resolved? Hog Farm Talk 03:24, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Awaiting response to my second point. FrB.TG (talk) 08:46, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * ? Hog Farm Talk 17:20, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Apologies, I have made the change required. Sorry I didn't get to it earlier.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:43, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Why is reference 7 not in title case? Gog the Mild (talk) 20:01, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm unsure what you mean. "Philippines take first ever PartyPoker.com World Cup of Pool", everything with capital letters is a proper noun, or at least that's how PartyPoker is stylised.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:05, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yep. That's sentence case. All of your other article titles are in title case. See MOS:5. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:55, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * ? Gog the Mild (talk) 16:19, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, can't say I've ever looked at what case the references are in, but I've made this change.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:16, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 18:14, 12 May 2023 (UTC)