Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/2012–13 Michigan Wolverines men's basketball team/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by User:Ian Rose 10:03, 9 November 2013 (UTC).

2012–13 Michigan Wolverines men's basketball team

 * Nominator(s): TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:19, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because it is a very important season for WP:CBBALL. It chronicles a national player of the year's season as well as the 2013 NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Tournament runner-up team's season. --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:19, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Please note that I attempted to get this cleaned up at WP:PR and the request was ignored for a full cycle.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:25, 9 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I think it should be worth noting that Tony is currently blocked indefinitely. GamerPro64  13:48, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Suggest removal by delegate The nominator is unable to either respond to comments or withdraw the article, seems best that it is removed until he is unblocked  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  14:32, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I am back.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:05, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I was just going to say that. Since Tony has been unblocked, I don't see why this can't stay up now. Presumably, he will now be around to reply to reviewers' commentary. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 00:07, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Comments –
 * Bold links like the one at the start are discouraged by the MoS. I'd recommend moving the team link to the second sentence.
 * O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:32, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't link "National Champions" should be capitalized in the second paragraph.
 * Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:43, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * A bit later, "Repeat" definitely shouldn't be capitalized.
 * Seems to already have been fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:46, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Preseason: "ESPN's Eamonn Brennan noted that Michigan is a perimeter oriented team with possibly the best one-two guard combination in the country." "is" → "was" for past tense.
 * Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:49, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * A space is needed after ref 48.
 * done.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:56, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * WE ON: Not sure why there are three periods before "Michigan State went on to win the game by 23 points." Giants2008  ( Talk ) 01:24, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:01, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Schedule: A period is needed after "giving the team its first 8–0 start since the 1996–97 team".
 * Fixed.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:30, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * By the West Virginia game, the coach's name is misspelled as "Bielien".
 * Good eye.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:32, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Statistics: In the text below the table, 1218 should have a comma if 1,231 does, for consistency.
 * Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:34, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * "Stauskas to a Michigan single-season record total of 80". Feels like something is missing before "to".
 * fixed. I don't know what I was originally trying to say though.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:40, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't think that 2013 NBA Draft should be linked in the section heading. The link in the first sentence of the section is all that is needed.
 * O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:42, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Typo in the title of the last reference: "e On".
 * Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:44, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Ref 3 needs a publisher and access date, and probably a publishing date since ESPN usually gives them.
 * Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:48, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Ref 52 also needs a publisher and access date.
 * Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:56, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Ref 54 needs dates too. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 00:27, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:51, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * One more item I just noticed, which should definitely be addressed before this is promoted: The beginning of the body has in quotes, "The Wolverines appeared in the national championship game, the first time the team had done so since 1989, appearances in 1992 and 1993 were vacated due to a scandal". I believe this is covered later, and if it isn't this is not the right place for the text to appear. I also think that it would be good if some of the long paragraphs in the season summary were broken up further, but that is a luxury compared to the first point. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 01:10, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I have cited the 1989/1993 issue in the proper part of the text.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:54, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
 * In regard to breaking up the long paragraphs, I am open to suggestions. Right now each paragraph is about a month long. There are no basketball season FAs (pro or college) so I guess we are setting a standard by acting or not acting on this issue. I could break each month out as a subsection with separate paragraphs if you think that works.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:54, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I like the idea of subsections. Each of the four longest paragraphs in the regular season summary could stand to be split, and subsections could help accomplish that. I also think that the postseason summary could use some splitting; one possible way of doing this is to put everything before the South Dakota State game in a paragraph, and then have two paragraphs for the rest of the content. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 02:09, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I have tried breaking things up. Let me know if I overdid it or if it resulted in further concerns.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:41, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Support – The paragraph splits look good to me, and since that was my last remaining issue I feel comfortable supporting now. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 02:03, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Great job on the fixes - I'll go ahead and give tentative support, since there hasn't been a full source check yet.  Toa   Nidhiki05  23:07, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Review by MarshalN20
Leaning Support: The article looks great, and it was a fun read. However, I find the amount of images in certain sections quite overwhelming. Some are repetitive and others lack action. To be more specific: With regards to the sources, I think all of them are appropriately used along with their level of reliability. For instance, source 255 caught my attention, but I think it is acceptable since it is citing an uncontroversial (and related) subject. My only suggestion here, and this is something that might sound bothersome, is to change the number dates into words (instead of 2012-11-21, write 21 November 2012). I have found this to make source management and checking much easier, and also would help readers be less confused (sad it may sound, readers do get confused with the month-date order). Regards.-- MarshalN20 | T al k 19:17, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * 2012–13 team recruits: I suggest you only keep one or two of the images.
 * I eliminated the two non-starters (leaving three). I also recropped McGsry.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:48, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Roster: Is there a picture where we can see their faces?
 * Would you prefer File:20130103 2012 Michigan Wolverines starting five at Northwestern (2).jpg? It shows the starters as Mitch McGary is checking in. It is currently used much lower on the page.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:52, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Schedule: I suggest you keep one image in each of the boxes, except for the Burke & Robinson III picture (that looks great).
 * Currently the regular season portion of the Schedule section has one image of each of the 6 guys who got big minutes and the playoff section has one of each guy who started in the Tournament. I don't really think there is an equitable way to reduce the number of images.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:59, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * My last three WP:FAs (Whaam!, Drowning Girl, and Tommy Amaker) all passed with the same date formatting as this. I don't think it is a big deal.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:44, 28 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, moving the image from the bottom to the Roster section would look much better.
 * I switched the image positions.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:17, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Changing vote to full Support.
 * Great work.-- MarshalN20 | T al k 03:03, 28 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Support - Okay, all is well with my review comments. I am happy to support this article's promotion to WP:FA. --SkotyWATC 00:26, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Image check - all OK (own work, Flickr CC, PD-ineligible).
 * added a few personality rights tags, where identifiable persons can be seen in the background. It's just an information tag for re-users (no action required).
 * File:Flag_of_Canada_recolour.svg should be OK as trivial re-coloring of a PD-ineligible design. GermanJoe (talk) 07:53, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

YE Pacific  Hurricane 03:05, 28 October 2013 (UTC) In all, very good job. YE Pacific  Hurricane 03:06, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Support Comments thanks to this.
 * "The team lost graduating senior captains Zack Novak and Stu Douglass, who moved on to professional basketball careers in Europe. " when? I'd say something like "Following the 2011-12 season, the team lost...".
 * Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:58, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * "The team made its first Sweet Sixteen appearance since the 1993–94 team did so in the 1994 Tournament." just mentions "1994 once here IMO
 * O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:03, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * "After several other schools announced their commitments, the signing of McGary moved Michigan from outside the top 25 to the number 7 class in the nation, according to ESPN.[17][18]" I thought you said it was #5? YE Pacific  Hurricane 03:05, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Added some detail.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:07, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * "All three recruits had playoff success: McGary was a member of the National Prep Championship team" at which school? YE Pacific  Hurricane 03:05, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Fixed the schools for all 3 recruits.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:14, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * "Hardaway began the season with a double-double by scoring 25 points (including 5-for-5 three-point shooting) and adding 10 rebounds in a 100–62 win over Slippery Rock.[77] His fourth career double-double earned him his second career Big Ten Player of the Week award.[78] " mind combining these two sentences? YE Pacific  Hurricane 03:05, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Done.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:18, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * "Morgan only played two minutes behind replacement starter Horford.[143][145]" signficance? that's like saying I played 3 mins in a game in 3rd grade. YE Pacific  Hurricane 03:05, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * He was injured and not fully recovered. He was still unable to play prolonged minutes. Later in the paragraph the coach talks about how "Morgan's absence affected the team's ability to match up defensively and substitute as it desired". read the rest of the paragraph.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:27, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * What did Morgan injuire? his knee? ankle? shoulder? finger? YE Pacific  Hurricane 03:05, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Already said "enduring an injured ankle against Illinois".--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:29, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * "Michigan lost to Wisconsin on February 9 in overtime following a half-court buzzer beater by Wisconsin that tied the game in regulation time.[148] " cut the last instance of "time" YE Pacific  Hurricane 03:05, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:31, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * " one-and-one situations" pipe problems? YE Pacific  Hurricane 03:05, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:33, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * "Sweet Sixteen" The section includes the elitle eight though, so why is the section called the way it is. YE Pacific  Hurricane 03:05, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The way the tournament is set up teams play at one venue for the rounds of 64 and 32, another for the sweet sixteen and elite eight, and another for the final four and championships. I will add these venues to the article.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:36, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Content added.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:53, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * "On that same date, ESPN's Jason King predicted that if all four players had left for the NBA draft, the 2013–14 team would have begun the season unranked.[250] USA Today projected on April 9 that if one of the four possible 2013 NBA draft entrants returned, Michigan could have been ranked 24th, and that if they all returned, Michigan would have been preseason number one.[251] " relevance to 2012-13? YE Pacific  Hurricane 03:06, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * This is content about transition to the following season. No effect on 2012-13 on the court, but issues up to the NBA draft are relevant in some sense.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:01, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

El Cid Ruderico's review
I will continue to do what I can, to shoot around for 50 or so per day in the coming days. Elcid.ruderico (talk) 01:01, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Support. I've finally had a chance to do some kind of review as you asked me, TonyTheTiger.  I'm liking what I see so far.   Content-wise, the body is a data and prose goldmine.  All in all, excellent coverage.  However, after doing a ref check, I mined a bit of the following pyrite.  Indeed, I decided I would do a reference check.  Yes, all 270.  For now, I am up to 58, including a few extra in between those two numbers.  That covers through the "Preseason" section.
 * Reference check, 1–58. 28 October 2013
 * Refs 17 & 18 (recruiting ranks) link only to current rankings, not the ones in Oct & Nov 2012 as suggested in the text and ref title.
 * Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:48, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Ref 19. Same issue as 17 & 18.
 * It took three refs to replace this one.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:20, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * 2012–13 and 2013–14 recruits table: The ESPN external link could use a title other than "ESPN."
 * How is "ESPN Recruiting Nation Basketball"?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:31, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Will take it. --Elcid.ruderico (talk) 00:40, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Rivals.com ranked the 2013–14 recruiting class at #12, not 11. Scout.com at 16, not 11.
 * I had updated that already at 2013–14 Michigan Wolverines men's basketball team, but forgot to do so here. Done.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:41, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Refs 40 & 41. Stray equal sign in publication date.
 * Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:34, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * One random: Ref 201 (for team statistics section) is a deadlink. Suggest substituting Sports-Reference CBB page.
 * Substituted.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:58, 29 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Reference check, 29 October 2013. New 20 & 21, and 61–120.  Now the total is up to 272, per the two Tony the Tiger added yesterday/earlier today.
 * Stauskas' hot shooting: [in Slogans, nicknames and emblems -> Canadian flag]: I would mention how you qualified this to beef it up, such as that he was shooting 53.7% on threes through U-M's first 15 games.
 * O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:06, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Refs 99 & 100 are duplicates.
 * merged.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:49, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Single-digit integers in prose: [Schedule, Regular season -> December] "For averaging 23.0 points, 6.5 assists, 4.5 rebounds and 2.0 steals with only 1 turnover in the games against Binghamton and West Virginia, Burke earned Player of the Week on December 17." "1" should probably be spelled out as "one," since numbers zero through nine are generally done so.
 * In this sentence, numbers are used to be consistent. I should probably change the turnover to 1.0 for consistency.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:09, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * 1.0 works better. The way I read it was that it was 1 total turnover in two games. --Elcid.ruderico (talk) 01:23, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I have tried to use numerals for all statistics throughout for consistency and spell out ordinals throughout for consistency. Yes many of the statistics are single digits, but a sometimes they are double digits or a mix of single and double digits in the same sentence. If you want me to go back through and change all single digits to prose, I could do that, but I am not sure it is any better in this case.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:29, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * No need to haggle. If it is not an issue in FAC, then don't worry about it. --Elcid.ruderico (talk) 01:23, 4 November 2013 (UTC)


 * That part about Michigan State students wearing the "YOU OFF" t-shirts was a humorous aside. Strong work through this leg of my eval. --Elcid.ruderico (talk) 00:40, 30 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Reference check, 3 November 2013. Ref #s 122–173.
 * January 3 game vs. Northwestern: I would mention Michigan actually had five players in double-figure points following Burke and Hardaway's totals – since theirs led team – rather than only mentioning Robinson had 10.
 * More details added.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:31, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Ref 134. I'm failing to see the support for the text "first time Michigan defeated a top-10 team on the road since a December 6, 1996, victory by the 1996–97 team over Duke."
 * It is the second item in the Research Notes.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:34, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Ref 144 appears twice in the same sentence.
 * I don't think it is redundant in this context. In fact, I should add these rankings for the March subsection.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:38, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * [Regular season-> February]: "However, playing lots of minutes in Morgan's absence, McGary earned his second Big Ten Freshman of the Week honor on February 11."  "lots of" is a phrase that doesn't belong in a FA.  I would replace with something to the effect of "dramatically increased play."
 * done.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:19, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Ref 157 does not fully support the claim that "Burke's 18 points, 4 assists and 3 steals were one of Michigan's few bright spots in their February 12 contest," but ref 156 does.
 * The stats are fully supported in several places in 157 and "Burke scored 18 points for the Wolverines and didn't get much help from his teammate offensively, or defensively." supports the rest.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:22, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * What I was mainly concerned with was mentioning the four assists and three steals. The context part is fine.  I found that in ref 156 but not 157. --Elcid.ruderico (talk) 07:40, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Look in both the "Top Performers" section and the "Game Leaders" section.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:57, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah. --Elcid.ruderico (talk) 07:07, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Ref 162: "As a result of his efforts, Burke won his third player of the week award on February 18."  May want to specify of the season – ref 162 also states that it was the fourth of his career.
 * Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:24, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Typo: Regular season-> March: "On March 6, with its Big 10 Conference Championship destiny in its own hands, Michigan defeated Purdue to set up a championship showdown with Indiana on March 9."  The date for the championship game with Indiana is wrong.  Two sentences later, the date is entered as March 10, and are supported as such by the references.
 * good eye.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:28, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Other than those slips, the narrative is great. Although I never watched a single moment of Michigan basketball from this season, I get the idea I could easily remember the best plays from a strong season. Down to about 140 more refs (another 41 in the games results table). --Elcid.ruderico (talk) 01:23, 4 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Reference check, 4 November 2013. Ref #s 176–206, plus all games within the Results table.
 * Ref 180. I'm not even close to finding how this ref supports that Michigan had the youngest team based on weighted minutes.
 * Added new sources.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:04, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Results table. 2/9/2013 game at Wisconsin.  No hyperlink to the game's box score.  Michigan vs Wisconsin
 * Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:12, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Just a minor quibble, but I couldn't find the attendance figures in the links for the March 21, 23 or 29 games and they are not on the in-text citations. I don't find it a huge deal, however.
 * Swapped in refs with attendance.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:21, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Now, only 207–275 to go. --Elcid.ruderico (talk) 07:40, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Note that I swapped two refs for one.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:14, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Noted. --Elcid.ruderico (talk) 07:07, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Almost there – should be able to get it wrapped up tomorrow.
 * Reference check, 5 November 2013. Ref #s 208–237.
 * Rankings: Your final rankings appear wrong or was left unfinished. USA Today coaches' #9, AP #2, per this.  Yours, currently:  USA Today coaches' #2, AP "not released."
 * The source that you present above (ESPN), which is the citation for the table, seems to only document the rankings through the first week of the postseason (week 19). The USAT/Coaches also produces a rankings after the tournaments are all completed. The table is correct. I just need to add a source for the postseason ranking by the USAT/Coaches.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:31, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * OK. My apologies; it appears I didn't look hard enough on that link. --Elcid.ruderico (talk) 09:43, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Citation fixed to present the final USAT/Coaches Ranking too.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:56, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Ref 220: Every time I bring this page up, it gets stuck and doesn't get "there."
 * I swapped out this ref.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:10, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Just that one. Ref check done. Everything looks great! Here's hoping your article passes. --Elcid.ruderico (talk) 09:43, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Reference check, 7 November 2013. Ref #s 238–276.
 * [2013 NBA Draft]: Forbes should be italicized (publications).
 * Found the correction. Everything I've asked is done or resolved. --Elcid.ruderico (talk) 21:19, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Notes by Ian Rose

 * Lot of dup links, some of which may be justified by the space between in an article of this size, but pls use the checker and see what you can lose.
 * Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:38, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Inconsistency in number representations, e.g. just in lead: "forty-sixth consecutive year" vs. "20 seasons". Pls check throughout; I have no personal preference as long as MOS is broadly followed and the method is consistent within the article. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:39, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Your comment came just after I went through the article and tried to consistently spell out the ordinals and use numerals for stats (after being prompted in the section above). What do you suggest?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:07, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I understand that with the plethora of numbers in such an article you want to distinguish certain uses, but for someone who's not particularly into sports statistics, the method doesn't appear that consistent. Obviously numerals should be employed for scores, averages and, I suppose, wins, but when you see "forty-sixth consecutive year" vs. "20 seasons" it starts to look odd to me. Later on in the lead we say "1st team by the coaches and to the 2nd team by the media" but then "first team consensus". I get the concept of team rankings, and I think you could fairly use "1st" or "first" in this instance, but surely not both? Finally, not being into basketball, I have to wonder about the significance of "Burke (9th) and Hardaway (24th)" -- 9th and 24th what? Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 21:52, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I think I just checked from the schedule part of the article down. I will start from the beginning.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:28, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I tried to spell all the ordinals consistently.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:26, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but you haven't addressed my query as to why we should be saying "forty-sixth" for consecutive years and "20" for seasons. Also in the lead, I still don't understand what "(9th)" and "(24th)" mean re. Burke and Hardaway -- are these odd representations of their player numbers or something else? Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 21:35, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I thought I had made it clear that I was spelling ordinal numbers and representing numerals for cardinal numbers which are mostly statistics in this article.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:09, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I have added "selection" to 9th and 24th. I have rewritten this sentence for greater clarity.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:12, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think MOS makes a distinction between ordinals and cardinals in its guidelines for numbers larger than nine, Tony, but as long as there's a method to the madness, consistently applied, I won't spend any more time on it. Tks for clarifying the selection thing for us ignorant non-basketballers... Are you and El Cid about done? I'd like to wrap this up, as I'm sure we all would... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:05, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I've got just a few more refs (around 30) to verify that I'll most likely get to by the end of today and can then call this burrito a wrap. --Elcid.ruderico (talk) 16:24, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 00:35, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
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