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2014 FA Cup Final

 * Nominator(s): The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:03, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

This article is about the 2014 edition of the oldest football cup competition in the world. Should have been a stroll really for the Gooners but the Tigers gave it a good go, and were 2–0 up inside just eight minutes. The London club fought back to level the score before snatching an extra time winner. It was decent. As ever, will happily (real life permitting) spend as much time as I can addressing constructive comments, and appreciate any time and energy expended by everyone throughout this process. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:03, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Image licensing looks fine but File:Arsenal vs Hull City 2014-05-17.svg needs a source for the information displayed (t &#183; c)  buidhe  20:42, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The formations are available here. I can add this source to the image description page and/or the article itself. Which do you suggest? – PeeJay 22:31, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The image file would be best as it might be used in multiple places. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:33, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Done. – PeeJay 22:53, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Comments from ChrisTheDude

 * "It is the world's oldest football cup competition" - pedantically, it's the oldest competition of any kind, not just the oldest cup competition
 * Removed "cup". – PeeJay 23:30, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * "The fixture at the Emirates Stadium in London" - could maybe clarify that this is Arsenal's home ground. I know it says "in London", but not everyone will know that Arsenal play in London.
 * Reworded. – PeeJay 23:30, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * "Arsenal won both of the league matches between the sides" - seems strange to refer to "the two sides" when Hull haven't been mentioned in the body of the article yet. This could be rectified by moving the bit about these two league meetings to the end of the paragraph.
 * Moved the bit about the league meetings to the end of the paragraph and corrected the link to Arsenal F.C. – PeeJay 23:30, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * "when he struck Serge Gnabry's pass first time past Hugo Lloris, the Tottenham goalkeeper" - wikilink keeper?
 * Done. – PeeJay 23:30, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * "With fewer than 10 minutes remaining, Theo Walcott was taken off the pitch" - need to say which team he was playing for
 * Done. – PeeJay 23:30, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * "Curtis Davies gave Hull the lead after 14 minutes with a header past Jake Forster-Caskey" - normally this wording would be used when the second player mentioned is a keeper, but Forster-Caskey is not, so how was it a header past him? Did he just happen to be between the ball and the goal?
 * Reworded. – PeeJay 23:30, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * "In the semi-final, Hull's first since 1930, they faced Sheffield United at the KC Stadium." - the game was not played at the KC Stadium
 * Reworded. – PeeJay 23:30, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * "Hull strike partnership Shane Long and Nikica Jelavić were cup-tied" => "Hull strike partners Shane Long and Nikica Jelavić were cup-tied" (avoids a hint of singular/plural disagreement)
 * Changed to "strikers". They weren't always the partnership Steve Bruce went with that season (although they were the most), so we shouldn't imply they were joined at the hip. – PeeJay 23:30, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * "Aluko, Paul McShane, James Chester and Robbie Brady faced fitness tests for Hull" - did they pass the tests?
 * Added that info based on the line-ups. – PeeJay 23:30, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * "Neither side made any substitutions during the interval" - wikilink substitution?
 * Done. – PeeJay 23:30, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * "In the 56th minute, the spectators applauded in memory of the 56 victims of the Bradford City stadium fire." - clarify when this happened, as a casual reader may think it was a recent occurrence rather than having happened decades earlier
 * Added "in 1985". – PeeJay 23:30, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * "Podolski was substituted for Sanogo" - ah, here's the wikilink. Move it to the first mention rather than the second
 * Done. – PeeJay 23:30, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * "they altered their formation to play with two strikers" - wikilink striker?
 * Added a link to Forward (association football) at the first mention in an earlier section. – PeeJay 23:30, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * "Aaron Ramsey (pictured in 2015) scored the winning goals minutes after coming on as a substitute." - pretty sure he only scored one :-)
 * He also started the match, so I've fixed that entirely. – PeeJay 23:30, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * There are two paragraphs in the post-match section which are only one sentence long each. Can these be appended to other paragraphs?  The one about the bus parade could certainly easily fit onto the end of the paragraph about the trophy
 * Fixed. – PeeJay 23:30, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * "As Arsenal qualified for the following season's Champions League" - wikilink Champions League in the same way as you do right after with the UEL
 * Done. – PeeJay 23:30, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * That's what I got -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:56, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Cheers Chris, let us know what you think of the changes. – PeeJay 23:30, 7 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Changes look good, although a stray word from the old version of the Ramsey caption appears to have remained, meaning that it doesn't make grammatical sense. Also (this probably should have occurred to me to mention before) in addition to clarifying when the Bradford fire happened, can you add something to clarify exactly why the fans applauded in memory of it at this game?  Bradford weren't involved in this game, it didn't take place on the actual anniversary, and it hadn't happened a "major" (for want of a better word) number of years earlier (25/50/etc).  Without a few words of additional explanation it comes across as really random that the fans chose to honour an event which had no direct connection to either club and which had occurred 29 years and 6 days earlier.  Does that make sense......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:40, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Comments from Amakuru

 * Arsenal
 * "Midway through the second half, Tottenham's Danny Rose hesitated with the ball, allowing Tomáš Rosický to gain possession and lift the ball over Lloris to double Arsenal's lead" - repetition of "the ball"
 * "With fewer than 10 minutes remaining" - I feel like "less than 10 minutes" would be better here. Time is an uncountable quantity, and it's not like there was some exact integer number of minutes left at the time in question.
 * "... injured on a stretcher: he was later ruled out ..." - perhaps a semicolon rather than a colon? The second half of the sentence is more of a separate clause than something which is immediately introduced by the first part.
 * "There, they were drawn at home again, this time against Coventry City of League One" - minor point, but the "this time" probably isn't necessary here.
 * "Liverpool failed to score" - they had already scored, so probably "failed to score again" or "failed to score an equaliser" or something.
 * "seventh minute, but Everton equalised through Romelu Lukaku from close range in the 32nd" - as comparable quantities, shouldn't "seventh" and "32nd" be either both words or both digits?
 * "Midway through the second half..." - this sentence seems a bit long overall. Maybe split after "conceded a penalty".
 * "his first successful strike" - sounds slightly odd to say "successful" given that it was ruled out!
 * "defending FA Cup holders Wigan Athletic" - MOS:SEAOFBLUE


 * Hull City
 * "in the third round where" - the same sentence in the Arsenal section had a comma after "round". Probably needs to be consistent, unless this is because the sentence is very slightly shorter in this case!
 * "the winner of the tie" - probably need a link for "tie", particularly as this term is a regular source of confusion for the uninitiated
 * Also, it may be worth clarifying why this match went to a replay while Arsenal's semi-final match mentioned in the previous section did not.
 * "also at Wembley" - personally I would drop the "also", given that it doesn't refer to the match just mentioned, but the Arsenal semi-final which was discussed several paragraphs ago


 * Pre-match
 * "West End" and "East End" - not sure these need to be capitalised. The source for the fact in question doesn't capitalise them.
 * "while Oxlade-Chamberlain and captain Thomas Vermaelen faced late fitness tests. While Vermaelen made the bench" - slightly close repetition of "while"
 * "bench" - Link to Glossary of association football terms?


 * Summary
 * "3 yards (2.7 m)" - over-precise on the conversion here
 * "Arsenal dominated the early stages of extra time" - according to whom?
 * (picture caption) "Aaron Ramsey scored the winning goal minutes in the second half of extra time" - doesn't quite scan correctly


 * Post-match
 * "manager Arsène Wenger" - SEAOFBLUE
 * "how to comeback [sic]" - I don't think we need to say "sic", given that it was a spoken interview, and the missing space is simply in the Guardian's reporting not in what Wenger initially said. There are other sources which have it as "come back", in any case so just quote it as that.
 * Maybe a line on how the teams fared in the FA Cup the following season?


 * Broadcasting
 * "52.1% viewing share" - clarify whether this means that ITV's coverage had 52% compared with BT Sport's coverage (which would thus have 48%), or - as I suspect - whether you mean 52% of all TV viewers at that time on any channel.

That's about it. Cheers &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 10:36, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The Rambling Man Did you miss this? It also looks like Christhedude's comment from 8 January has not received a reply either. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  21:29, 26 January 2022 (UTC)