Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Anakin Skywalker/archive1

Anakin Skywalker
The article 'Anakin Skywalker' is a master piece in terms of polished presentation, textual and pictorial support. The article is not cluttered, and the text is highly appropriate. It is an in depth, and yet focused summary of the life of this Star Wars character, and displays exemplary writing skills and editing skills. This article is an excellent display of what all wikipedia articles should strive for in terms of accuracy and presentation, and this is why I have nominated this article for the status of 'feature article'. --Paaerduag 07:38, 27 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Object - Other than noting what actor played him in each of the stages of his life, this reads more like an encyclopedia entry for him in the Star Wars universe, rather than an entry in our own. I suggest you look at the current FAs for other fictional characters, and see how those are laid out.  You'll see a lot more information on the creator of the character, inspirations, portrayals in popular media and other works, and that sort of thing.  The "plot summary" should not be the entire article. Fieari 07:57, 27 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Counter-Object - But if we wanted to know about who portrayed Anakin Skywalker, we would look at the actor articles. This article is meant to deal with Anakin in the context of star wars, not real life. This is meant to be a factual article depicting a fictitious piece of filmography. --Paaerduag 08:35, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Fictional subjects are per se not factual the way real life subjects are. It's absolutely imperative that articles on fictional characters don't read though they were normal biographies, because they aren't. They're figments of someone's imagination and should be treated like a form of cultural expression, not a real person. The Star Wars-universe is not real and in an encyclopedia it should be described primarily on how it affects the real world; fan guides are not encyclopedic and already exist in the thousands. / Peter Isotalo 11:13, 27 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Object I would want it to got through WP:PR first, and to have more than one reference. Like Fieari, I would be interested in knowing more about the development of the character: have there been any academic studies comparing the character to others from classical fiction?; what writers worked on the development of the characters?, and so on. I will say that I think the prose is very good. --BillC 10:57, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Object for all reasons listed above. Also, having a spoiler warning in the lead (which is too short anyway) is probably not a good idea. Batmanand | Talk 15:02, 27 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Please describe our own universe, not George Lucas's. In other words, talk about Anakin Skywalker as a cultural artifact. Who created him? When? How did he develop over the films, novels, and comics? How do different authors portray him differently? How do different actors portray him differently? Who designed his costumes? What were George Lucas's influences? How has Anakin Skywalker influenced other creators? See User:BrianSmithson/Writing about fiction for more of what I'm talking about. — BrianSmithson 17:44, 27 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Oppose. BrianSmithson makes an excellent point. Remember that we strive for comprehensiveness in all of our articles. The issue that many articles about people or things in fiction run into is that they are simply an outline of their relevancy in their own world and canon. A figure such as Anakin Skywalker certainly has had much influence on pop culture. &mdash; Rebelguys2 talk 23:31, 27 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Oppose.I agree with previous posters (especially about talking about Anakin Skywalker as a cultural artifact. For an example of how this is done, see Darth_Vader). In addition the lead is too short and the article needs references, especially for the POV statements like this one: "He is the central character of all six Star Wars films, despite the prominent role of his son, Luke Skywalker as the protagonist of the original trilogy, Episodes IV, V, and VI." That sounds like opinion unless you bring in references showing that the general critical consensus is that the statement is true.--Alabamaboy 18:07, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Comment: Wait a minute two articles on the same fictional character?Isn't that a bit much?I propose a redirect or at the very least one being a subarticle of the other.I see repetion of the same info.--Technosphere83 22:01, 28 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Reply. Apparently, there's been a long discussion on that at Talk:Darth_Vader/Archive_5. The result was no consensus with a majority wanting two separate articles. &mdash; Rebelguys2 talk 21:26, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Well than there is a problem because this doesn't fit into wikiguidelines.--Technosphere83 10:17, 30 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Object per above objections. - A Link to the Past (talk) 01:22, 30 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Object -- excessive use of fair use images. Also, really needs to clarify its division with Darth Vader if they are to remain separate articles (which itself doesn't make much sense in terms of existing WP standards like summary style); at the moment there is massive overlap between the two. Christopher Parham (talk) 03:21, 30 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Object per Fieari + lack of refs. Mi kk er (...) 03:24, 30 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Object & Withdraw you know, I have to agree with you. I did not make this article, but I was the one who nominated it. I shouldn't have. After revising my nomination, i think that this article does not deserve to be a feature article, despite adequate text. several flaws still plague it. therefore, i personally withdraw my nomination, because i no longer feel justified in keeping it here. --Paaerduag 10:35, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Agree: This is a good article. It should be featured.23:13, 24 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Go get a goddamned peer-review. Also, as to the two articles, that's messy, but It's correct. ....(Complain)(Let us to it pell-mell) 04:35, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Why is this article still listed on its discussion page as a current featured article candidate? There hasn't been any real discussion about it in nearly three months, it hasn't had a peer review, the nominator withdrew it, and it's still awfully messy for real consideration. With the withdrawal, it shouldn't be listed as an FAC at all, or a failed FAC. - dharmabum 08:17, 19 June 2006 (UTC)