Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Andranik/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was archived by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 2014-09-19.

Andranik

 * Nominator(s): Étienne Dolet (talk) 18:28, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

This article is a GA right now and has underwent significant peer reviews. It has great encyclopedic value as this person is not a well known figure in world history. A lot of hard work has been put into this article recently and I would love to see it rise to the FA status it deserves. Étienne Dolet (talk) 18:28, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Étienne, welcome to FAC. On a procedural note, you don't seem to be one of the main editors of this article -- per FAC instructions, have you notified major contributors of this nomination? Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 22:08, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello Ian, yes I did. Here's the diff: . Étienne Dolet (talk) 22:19, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Image review
 * Captions that aren't complete sentences shouldn't end in periods Done
 * The Russian Revolution section's map could stand to be larger Done
 * File:General_Andranik.jpg: the given tag relies on either author death or publication date being more than 70 years ago - can you demonstrate that either is the case, and if the latter that the author is truly unknown? Same with File:Andranik_wedding_paris_1922.jpg
 * File:Rank_insignia_of_Старши_лейтенант_of_the_Bulgarian_Army_(horizontal).png: what is the copyright status of the original design? Same with File:IRA_F6MajGen_1917_h.png
 * File:Andraniksignature-1-.png needs a US PD tag Done
 * File:Andranik_fedayee.jpg: source link is dead, without a known author we can't verify date of death as being over 70 years ago, and if we could we would still need a US PD tag. Latter two apply also to File:Andranik_on_a_horse.jpg DONE
 * File:Armenian_monastery_of_s_apostles_in_moush.jpg: what is the author's date of death? Also needs a US PD tag. Both issues apply to File:Zoravar_Andranik_in_Sophia_1912.jpg, which also needs a more specific source DONE
 * For both this point and the previous one, not done: dead link is fixed, but none of the sources given provide a named author (what you've got in the author field are the publication details, which are helpful, but don't support the tag you're using). That being said, for pre-1923 publications you could simply substitute the same tag being used for File:Andraniksignature-1-.png. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:55, 19 September 2014 (UTC)


 * File:Location_of_the_1894_and_1904_Sasun_uprisings.png: what is the copyright status of the source from which this was derived? Same with File:Western_Armenia_September_1917.png
 * File:Andranik_Caucasian_Campaign_circa_1914-1916.png: under which rationale is this claimed as PD? Done
 * Not done: as with the previous point, using that tag requires a known author and a US PD tag added. However, as above, this could be fixed by selecting a different tag. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:55, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Oppose pending resolution of image issues. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:53, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
 * File:Andranik_Zangezur_1918.png: if Andranik is in the photo, who took the photo? Done
 * File:Andranik_hat.png: source does not support pre-1923 publication. Same with File:Andranik_1919.png Done
 * File:Cimetière_du_Père-Lachaise_-_General_Antranik_Toros_Ozanian.jpg: since France does not have freedom of panorama, what is the copyright status of the monument?
 * File:Andranik_Ozanian_poster.jpg: scanning a 2D image does not give the scanner copyright of the image. What is the copyright status of this poster?
 * File:MilitaryOrderBravery-Ribbon.gif: the uploader does not hold copyright to this design. Same with File:Vladimir_ribbon.jpg, File:OrderStGeorge4cl_rib.png, File:Legion_Honneur_Officier_ribbon.svg, File:Greek_War_Cross_1917_2nd_class_ribbon.png. Each of these is either not original enough to warrant copyright or has been copied from somewhere and needs its original copyright status clarified.
 * File:Order_of_Saint_Stanislaus_Ribbon.PNG: who is the author and what is their date of death?
 * Thanks for the review. Please give me some time so I can sort out the problems accordingly. Étienne Dolet (talk) 07:09, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Oppose. There are lots of language problems here, including these from the first paragraph:
 * "the most famous": See WP:PEACOCK. The main problem here is avoiding the word "famous"; the idea is not objectionable. DONE (fow now I removed it, perhaps use the term well-known?)
 * "fedayi": Generally, give a quick translation for foreign words so that the reader won't be left without a clue unless they follow the link. "Irregular" might work here. DONE
 * You've still got the problem that when the word first appears, there's no translation. - Dank (push to talk)
 * repetition: "Armenian" or "Armenia" shows up seven times in the first three sentences. DONE
 * Okay, now it shows up six times instead of seven. - Dank (push to talk) 22:54, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
 * "along other": along with other DONE
 * "and along other fedayi, he sought": and, along with other fedayi, sought DONE
 * "living in their ancestral homeland; an area known as": comma, not semicolon DONE
 * "he disagreed with its cooperation": he disapproved of its cooperation DONE - Dank (push to talk) 22:58, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Coord note: Guys, what's the status of your opposes given the nominators responses? Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 22:41, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Added notes above, and that was just in the first paragraph. Still opposing. - Dank (push to talk) 22:54, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Still opposing given the number of things yet unfixed. Etienne, given what's been done so far, you might want to seek out a collaborator to help with fixing those remaining items. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:55, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Tks for prompt responses, and apologies Dan for not noticing that those points were just from the first para, which would have given me pause too. On that basis I intend to archive this as I think improvements should be made outside the FAC process. I have a couple of suggestions for Etienne, firstly to act on the suggestion to seek out a collaborator if possible, and secondly to put the article through MilHist A-Class Review before renominating at FAC. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 23:20, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 23:22, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
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