Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Angeline Quinto/archive1

Angeline Quinto

 * Nominator(s): Pseud 14 (talk) 17:10, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

After a brief break from tackling BLPs and focusing on other music related FACs, I've decided to start working on another Filipino singer. Angeline Quinto began her career after winning a reality talent competition around ten years ago. Since then she has released several albums and has recorded material which has been featured as soundtracks of various films and television series in the Philippines (at least 35 combined), earning her the nickname "Queen of Teleserye Theme Songs". She ventured into acting and has received praise and accolades for her work on film and television. Constructive criticism, in any form and from anyone, will be appreciated. Happy to address your comments and thanks to all who take the time to review. Pseud 14 (talk) 17:10, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Image/media review

 * File:Angeline Quinto at Barrio Fiesta in UK in April 2014 (cropped).jpg has a clearly defined purpose in the article as the infobox image. The source and author links work, and I appreciate the archive for the source link. The image has appropriate WP:ALT text. I always prefer to add more context (i.e. the location/event) to image captions like these, but FAs like Jennifer Lawrence do not do so, and this should be fine then.
 * Are there any other images you can use in this article? It appears that this is the only image of Quinto on Wikimedia Commons.
 * I found the existing image from Flickr and it appears to be the only image that is licensed to be uploaded to Commons. None I could find exists elsewhere unfortunately. Pseud 14 (talk) 20:37, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I understand that. Thank you for looking into it. I am the worst at finding these kinds of images so I am sorry for not being much help in providing advice on how to get other free-use images. Aoba47 (talk) 21:09, 2 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Do you think it would be helpful to add an audio sample to the "Musical style and themes" subsection? It is not a requirement by any means, and it is encouraged to keep non-free media usage to a minimum, but it may be helpful to add an audio sample to illustrate something about her musical style that cannot be conveyed through the prose alone. I could see justification for a sample to illustrate either her soulful singing style or her vocal range. FAs like Mariah Carey have done this kind of thing. Again, it is just a suggestion though so feel free to say no to this.
 * I've thought of adding it before but was also hesitant because non-free use should be minimal. Nevertheless, I agree with your suggestion, and felt it would be helpful to include, I have added in the appropriate section for your review/comments. Pseud 14 (talk) 20:37, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for adding the sample. I can understand your hesitancy, and it can be a pain in the neck to upload an audio sample. I have two quick comments about the caption. In this part, (Quinto has been praised for her range), I would clarify who is doing the praising (i.e. critics, fans, etc.) as it is not immediately clear. I would also attribute the "soulful renditions" quote as I would avoid using quotes without direct attribution in the prose. I have made some minor edits to the sample, and feel free to revert any you disagree with, and while working on the two comments above, I would be aware of presenting this information in a concise manner since this is a caption after all. Aoba47 (talk) 21:09, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your edits. I have revised the first part of the caption completely so that it is consistent with what is in the prose. Let me know if the changes look ok. Pseud 14 (talk) 21:33, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Looks appropriate to me. Thank you for the update. Aoba47 (talk) 22:50, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

I hope this review is helpful. This FAC passes my image review as everything is appropriate with the current image, but I do have questions on whether other images or even an audio sample would be beneficial to include in this article. However, that does not hold back my image review. If other things are added, let me know so I can review them. Unfortunately, I will not have the time to do a full prose review, but I still wanted to contribute to this FAC. Aoba47 (talk) 19:02, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you Aoba47 for always being so helpful with your reviews whether image/media or prose. They are very much appreciated. I have addressed your points above. Let me know if you have additional comments with the change(s) I did/added. Pseud 14 (talk) 20:37, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the very prompt responses. I have a few comments about the audio caption, and once they have been addressed, I will be more than happy to pass this review. Aoba47 (talk) 21:09, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for addressing everything. This passes my image and media review. Aoba47 (talk) 22:47, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Comments from Z1720
Non-expert prose review.


 * "It was supported by the single "Patuloy Ang Pangarap", which earned Quinto an Aliw Award for Best New Artist." Did the single win the award, the album or the artist?
 * I have revised the lead to avoid the ambiguity. I believe the artist themselves is credited for the award for their body of work, which in this case is the album. (hopefully I made sense)


 * "She followed this by playing the lead in the drama series Kahit Konting Pagtingin (2013)," -> "She then played the lead in" to reduce the number of words.
 * Done


 * "She has discussed her family background publicly; she was initially resentful at being adopted during her early childhood. She later shared a close bond with her adoptive mother, who died in 2020, and credited her as instrumental to her achievements." I don't think this first part of the sentence is necessary. I suggest: "She was initially resentful at being adopted during her early childhood, but later shared a close bond with her adoptive mother and credited her as instrumental to her achievements."
 * Done as suggested.


 * "Quinto developed an interest in music and began singing at age six." If she is singing, she is probably interested in music so I suggest, "Quinto began singing at age six."
 * Done


 * "and got involved with the wrong crowd," This is an MOS:IDIOM; I suggest that this be made more specific.
 * Revised, hopefully "negatively influenced by her peers" is a much clearer and more specific explanation.


 * "Quinto went on to win the competition on February 20, 2011 at the Ynares Center in Antipolo." -> "Quinto won the competition on February 20, 2011, at the Ynares Center in Antipolo." To reduce the number of word and added a comma after the year per MOS:DATECOMMA.
 * Done


 * "In 2013, Quinto took on a starring role in the romantic comedy series Kahit Konting Pagtingin." -> "In 2013, Quinto starred in the romantic comedy series Kahit Konting Pagtingin." To reduce the number of words
 * Done


 * "From October 29, 2021 to February 19, 2022," Comma after 2021 per MOS:DATECOMMA.
 * Done


 * "Alwin Ignacio writing for the Manila Standard appreciated Quinto's artistic growth and commended the "emotional commitment and truthfulness" of her performances." Add commas after Ignacio and Standard.
 * Added


 * "Quinto will next star alongside Alex Gonzaga in the comedy film Single Bells, which will premiere at the Metro Manila Summer Film Festival in April 2023." Remove "next" per MOS:CURRENT
 * Removed


 * "Quinto said of the comparison, "She has been my idol for so long, of course, it would show in my performance. But I always try to do things with my own touch. I am a performer, I have my own style. Maybe because people also associate me with my idol, so that is what they see. -> The closing quotation mark is missing.
 * Added missing quotation mark.

Those are my thoughts. Please ping me when the above have been addressed. Z1720 (talk) 18:18, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for taking up this review Z1720. I have actioned all comments above. Do let me know if there's anything I may have missed. Pseud 14 (talk) 19:08, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * My comments have been addressed. I can support. Z1720 (talk) 23:14, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your review and support Z1720. Pseud 14 (talk) 00:07, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Support by DWB

 * This isn't a necessity as I don't know the rules for BLP articles but would there be any benefit in changing "Angeline Quinto (born November 26, 1989) is a Filipina singer, actress, and television personality. She is known for her vocal range and soulful singing style. " to "Angeline Quinto (born November 26, 1989) is a Filipina actress, television personality, and singer known for her vocal range and soulful singing style."? I imagine there are rules that her most notable career goes first though.
 * I believe that would be correct per MOS:ROLEBIO


 * Maybe as an alternative: "She is known for her vocal range and soulful singing style. Her music has garnered critical praise for its lyrical content and themes of love, heartbreak, and empowerment." could be changed to "Known for her vocal range and soulful singing style, Quinto's music has garnered critical praise for its lyrical content and themes of love, heartbreak, and empowerment."?
 * Done as suggested


 * Instead of "2010–2012: Star Power and Born to Love You" is it worth changing it to "2010–2012: Star Power and acting debut" or something similar? As an uninitiated I assumed Born To Love You was another album, I know it's mentioned in the lead but I'd forgotten by this point.
 * I have changed per your suggestion, as it does make sense since this section covers her acting debut on film and television.


 * You alternate between naming Raquel Velasquez fully and by surname, you should only have to mention her full name on her introduction unless dealing a second person of the same surname.
 * Done. Full name on first instance and surname in the succeeding mention.


 * There are a lot of short sentences here "In 2020, she began a relationship with former casino dealer Nonrev Daquina.[87][88] In December 2021, the couple was reported to be expecting their first child together.[89] On April 27, 2022, Quinto gave birth to their son.[90] They became engaged in September 2022.[87]" I feel like it could flow better, a suggested alternatve is "Quinto began a relationship with former casino dealer Nonrev Daquina in 2020. Their first child together, a son, was born on April 27, 2022." This is a suggestion, the kid is born so I don't know how much value there is in knowing it was reported in December.
 * Done as suggested


 * There's a duplicate link at "lwin Ignacio, writing for the Manila Standard"
 * Removed duplicate link


 * Are there any appropriate portals that can be added to the end of the page?
 * Added a biography and Philippine portal at the bottom
 * These are some ideas, BLPs aren't my wheelhouse but these are what stand out to me. Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 22:14, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for taking up this review Darkwarriorblake. I have actioned and provided my responses to your comments. Let me know if I may have missed anything. Pseud 14 (talk) 00:16, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Good job Pseud, I will support based on what I can see, it's a relatively brief article so there wasn't much to comment on. Again as I don't really deal in BLP articles I don't know if there are standards beyond quality, but I think the prose and layout is of a sufficient standard and it is well referenced and archived. Darkwarriorblake / Vote for something that matters 17:40, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Much appreciate your time in providing the review and thank you for your support Darkwarriorblake. Pseud 14 (talk) 18:11, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Comments Support from Chris

 * "She was initially resentful at being adopted during her early childhood" - shouldn't we mention that she was adopted before saying she was resentful at it happening?
 * Tweaked as suggested, so that she is mentioned as being adopted by her grandaunt first. Pseud 14 (talk) 13:20, 21 April 2023 (UTC)


 * "she contemplated of pursuing " => "she contemplated pursuing "
 * "for the soundtrack the romantic comedy film" => "for the soundtrack of the romantic comedy film"
 * "her patron's fiancée, played by Ahron Villena," => "the fiancée of her patron, played by Ahron Villena,"
 * "but praised the casts' performances" => "but praised the cast's performances"
 * "or its use of certain dialogues" => "or its use of dialogue"
 * "Quinto named several Filipina singers, including Jessa Zaragoza and Jolina Magdangal, as inspirations" => "Quinto also named several other Filipina singers, including Jessa Zaragoza and Jolina Magdangal, as inspirations"
 * "Early in her career, critics have likened" => "Early in her career, critics likened"
 * That's it :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:26, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for your review ChrisTheDude. I have actioned the above. Let me know if I may have missed anything. Pseud 14 (talk) 13:20, 21 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:02, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your review and support ChrisTheDude Pseud 14 (talk) 17:39, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Comments and support from Gerda
Interested in singing, but unfamiliar with her and her work, I'll comment as I read. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:50, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Lead
 * How about translating the title of her first record? (and that goes also for later titles without an article where we could look up)
 * Done for song titles without articles


 * "Quinto became the first Filipino artist to record all the songs for a television show soundtrack with Sana Bukas pa ang Kahapon (2014)." - When I read that first, I wasn't aware that the title of the show - I thought a co-performer. Perhaps rephrase. But it may be just me.
 * It is the title of both the show and the soundtrack, I have tweaked otherwise

Infobox
 * I am used to not list people without article, such as her partner.
 * Removed

Early
 * "During this time ... She struggled academically" - what time? and what does "academically" mean? ... what age, what school or academy??
 * Rephrased for clarity so that it is understood it was during high school. The year (2005) is also mentioned in the preceding sentence

2010
 * Please don't expect people to read chronologically: "After five years" means nothing to reader coming from the TOC.
 * I have added the year at the end of the sentence clarify

2013
 * "She played Aurora Natividad, a waitress who pretends the fiancée of her patron" - what does it mean? She pretended to be engaged to her patron? She pretended to be the other woman?
 * This is my bad, I typed an incomplete sentence. Should be a waitress who pretends to be the fiancée of her patron (as they pretended to be engaged)

Influences
 * "She noted that Velasquez was an inspiration, primarily on her earlier work, and to whom she had often been compared." - Sorry, the grammar of that sentence makes unclear what she noted.
 * I have tweaked


 * "also ... also"
 * Removed one to avoid repetition.

Music
 * any nicer description than "veteran singer"?
 * I was aiming to use "music icon", but thought it sounded too WP:PUFFERY, so I think veteran singer is much more direct (I think), open to suggestions. Pseud 14 (talk) 19:10, 25 April 2023 (UTC)


 * surprised to read about her writing a song - should that be mentioned in the lead? ... have a subheader?
 * I thought about adding it in the lead but she has written I think a couple of songs, so I figured it would only be worth mentioned under the musical style section. And since it is a less notable role, I figured it wouldn't be worth adding per MOS:ROLEBIO. Pseud 14 (talk) 19:10, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm used to having to source discographies and filmographies. I wonder if there were reviews that say a bit more precisely what is meant by more creativity and maturity. Other than that, I'm happy. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:22, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * For discographies and filmographies. I believe from a previous FAC review that when such citations are already provided for mentions of albums/films within article prose, they don't need to be cited again in separate "discography" or "filmography" sections as those are just repeating prior text. Past experience tells me that one would only have to provide in-text citations in such sections for things not previously mentioned. Pseud 14 (talk) 19:10, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * For the reviews, I could not find any additional coverage of reviews, so I only specified which publication and quoted or paraphrased the context of the review, as opposed to stating it as a consensus. Pseud 14 (talk) 19:10, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for taking up this review Gerda Arendt. I have addressed each point above and provided my responses. Let me know if they are to your satisfaction or if I missed anything. Pseud 14 (talk) 19:10, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I wrote a longer reply, and forgot to save. No time right now to restore, - simply understand and support. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:23, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Happens to the best of us, I understand. Thank you very much for your time in reviewing and for your support. Much appreciated Gerda Arendt! Pseud 14 (talk) 12:50, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Source review
Source formatting seems consistent and they all have the critical information except for #16. Are news sources and magazines the only ones available? In terms of source reliability, I am a little concerned that the Gulf News column in #71 are often described as "gossip" but otherwise looking over the bylined people I don't see anything problematic. Spot-check upon request. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:57, 8 May 2023 (UTC) Thank you for taking on the source review Jo-Jo Eumerus. I have provided my responses to the points you raised. Let me know if they are to your satisfaction. Pseud 14 (talk) 14:40, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * For Ref#16, I used the media itself (liner notes) to source the number of songs written by Manalo on the album only. I thought it would be a better source than Spotify or Apple Music (subscription based) which also provides information on songwriters or album credits.
 * For Filipino-related FACs I have worked on, I do have heavy reliance on news sources, magazines. But as far as I have checked, there are no scholarly resources available with such information on the subject. The news sources in question I believe are professional and well-circulated sites.
 * For usage of Gulf News, as one of the UAE's leading daily English newspaper, I believe it is generally reliable in its coverage and has editorial oversight. The same would apply to its Entertainment coverage of various public figures. In the article it is is used to source non-controversial content/statements made by the subject. Do let me know if that is sufficient.


 * Does that specific column/author get editorial oversight? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:21, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I believe it does. It has an About and History Page and has been in print since 1978 and a digital news provider since 1996. It is owned by Al Nisr Publishing, a subsidiary of Al Tayer Group, one of the biggest holding companies in the Middle East. It also adheres to Journalism and Ethics policies for the work that its staff and contributing writers produce. Pseud 14 (talk) 16:02, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I was a little unclear here - my concern isn't about the Gulf News citation in general, but specifically the Garcia, Vincent Anthony column. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:14, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying that. Garcia is a contributing writer for several highly regarded UAE publications, including Gulf News per his LinkedIn profile. I believe the column in question wouldn't fall within gossip-y territory as several other publications have also covered the comparisons/similarities between her and Velasquez and is non-controversial or contentious in nature. I believe it would be okay to use a quote as it is an interview and the subject is the direct/primary source. Let me know if the usage is sufficient. Pseud 14 (talk) 11:57, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * OK then. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 13:15, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Support Comments from NØ

 * "She signed with Star Music and collaborated with songwriter and producer Jonathan Manalo to start recording material for her first effort" - I'd go with "She signed with Star Music and began recording material she wrote with producer Jonathan Manalo for her first effort"
 * Quinto did not right any material on her debut album, so I believe the suggestion won't work. Pseud 14 (talk) 14:58, 8 May 2023 (UTC)


 * The abbreviation, (PARI), can be removed from both the lead and the body since it is not used again.
 * "She reinvented her image and style with her succeeding releases, Higher Love (2013) and @LoveAngelineQuinto (2017)" - Second "her" could be removed
 * "She then played the lead in the drama series Kahit Konting Pagtingin (2013), which won her a Golden Screen TV Award" - "She then played the lead in the drama series Kahit Konting Pagtingin (2013), winning a Golden Screen TV Award"
 * "For the next few years, Quinto continued to compete in talent shows on television" - "The next few years, Quinto competed in television talent shows"
 * "In 2005, she made her next appearance in Magandang Tanghali Bayan's Teen Pop Star search and became that season's winner" - "In 2005, she appeared in Magandang Tanghali Bayan's Teen Pop Star search and won the season"
 * "Quinto reunited with longtime collaborator Jonathan Manalo for her third studio album Higher Love" - Comma before album name
 * "In 2002, she joined the talent show Star for a Night, which was hosted by Velasquez and said that she realized her purpose to pursue a musical career" - It might be a good idea to simplify this sentence. How about "In 2002, she joined the talent show Star for a Night, hosted by Velasquez, and said the latter inspired her to pursue a musical career"?
 * Revised as suggested. Pseud 14 (talk) 14:58, 8 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I am not sure it is appropriate to call Velasquez a "music icon" in Wikipedia voice.
 * Changed to singer. Pseud 14 (talk) 14:58, 8 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Earlier sections seem to say Higher Love was released in 2014, but the Musical style and themes section includes 2013 in a bracket as the release year. I don't think the year needs to be included again after the album was already introduced in earlier sections. Same with @LoveAngelineQuinto.
 * My bad, it is in fact 2014. I've removed the mention of the years in the latter. Pseud 14 (talk) 14:58, 8 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Royals was already introduced as a "co-headlining concert" in earlier sections so the descriptor can be omitted from here.
 * The Aliw Award for Best New Artist is repeated in both, "Star Power and acting debut" and "Awards and accolades", sections. Since the former section is much bigger, you could remove it from there.
 * I've tweaked the "awards and accolades" section so it is not repeated. I felt like mentioning a new artist win is integral in the former section. Pseud 14 (talk) 14:58, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Think that's it from me.--NØ 10:24, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for taking the review MaranoFan. I have addressed all points and provided my comments on a few. Let me know if they are to your satisfaction. Pseud 14 (talk) 14:58, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 19:51, 12 May 2023 (UTC)