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Anna Lee Fisher

 * Nominator(s): and

This article is about Anna Fisher, one of the first six women selected to be astronauts by NASA in 1978. During her long and distinguished career at NASA, she was involved with the Space Shuttle, the International Space Station and the Orion spacecraft. This article is the fifth in the series about the first six women astronauts, following Sally Ride, Judith Resnik, Kathryn Sullivan and Rhea Seddon. Unlike those astronauts, Fisher has no biography, so its writing was more difficult. Hawkeye7  (discuss)  20:20, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Comments from Harry
Not sure why this doesn't seem to be attracting much attention. Let's fix that. —There are other places the prose could be tightened but the FA criteria don't demand perfection. HJ Mitchell &#124; Penny for your thoughts? 18:50, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * one of the astronauts supported vehicle integrated testing and payload testing at Kennedy Space Center. looks like a copy-editing error. One of the astronauts who supported?
 * Corrected. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:13, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * She was a CAPCOM from January 2011 to August 2013 that's the first mention of CAPCOM; the acronym needs a gloss.
 * Glossed. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:13, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Her mother Elfriede had been born in Germany in 1918 but had emigrated → was born and lose the second had.
 * Changed as suggested. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:13, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * when she was sixteen years old
 * The two had returned to the United States lose the had again
 * Lost. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:13, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * When she was in high school she did volunteer work at → volunteered at?
 * Um okay. Changed as suggested. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:13, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * published three article in the Inorganic Chemistry needs a copy edit
 * Already done - see the talk page. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:13, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * But she saw others who had earned PhDs after six years of work but still could not find jobs, and decided to pursue medicine instead. Two "but"s in close proximity; you can probably just lose the first one.
 * Changed second "but" to "yet" Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:13, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * At the time, medicine was considered a "non-traditional" career for women Is that a quote or are those scare quotes?
 * A quote. "As a woman in two non-traditional women's jobs". Had to look up the article on scare quotes. Things were different in Australia, where my own university graduated its first women doctors in 1891. While women were a minority of students, nearly half studied medicine. While writing about the Great War period, I found that British women were surprised that that Australia had women doctors, and even more so that they were allowed to vote in the 1916 election. So although supported by the source, I didn't want to state it in Wikipedia's voice.  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:13, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * the son of a United States Air Force colonel Sea of blue and neither link is directly relevant to the subject; perhaps lose the link to the USAF?
 * Changed "colonel" to "officer" Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:13, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * At lunch one day he informed Bill, who was now her fiancée Whose fiancée?
 * Already corrected spelling - see talk page. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:13, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * They had three weeks to assemble the required documents So they both applied? This isn't clear from the preceding text.
 * Yes. Added that both of them applied. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:13, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * She attended meetings of the astronauts' spouses Who did?
 * She did. I didn't want to say "Fisher" here. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:13, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Abbey decided that the five MDs of the 1978 and 1980 1978 and 1980 ... what? Also, no spaces with an emdash
 * Added "astronaut selections". Removed space. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:13, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Fisher became pregnant while working as a Cape Crusader Can we reword this slightly so it doesn't sound like it happened during her NASA work?
 * Re-worded. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:13, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * with pilot David M. Walker and mission specialists Fisher, Gardner and Joseph P. Allen Not a good use of "with" anyway but the sentence as-structured suggests that the latter two were jointly commanding.
 * Re-structured. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:13, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Fisher wanted to perform Capsule communicator (CAPCOM) Is capsule a proper noun here?
 * Decapitated. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:13, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * they had gone ahead and launched the second one "gone ahead and" adds words but not meaning
 * Deleted. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:13, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * if they could retrieve one satellites, and a miracle if they could retrieve two Another gremlin. One satellite or one of the satellites?
 * Removed the "s". Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:13, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Dale Gardner had a son a few months older than Kristin, all the others had older children That's a comma splice
 * Added conjunction. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:13, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * so her daughter would know what her mother was like if Maybe shorten to just "in case"?
 * Changed "if" to "in case" Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:13, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * on November 8, 1984, on what was Discovery's second mission Trim "what was"; more words for no added meaning again
 * Deleted as suggested. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:13, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 *  "by extraordinary exertions have contributed to the preservation of property from perils of all kind." MOS:LQ and you need a ref after a quote.
 * Added. Hawkeye7   (discuss)
 * It was to be commanded by Michael L. Coats, with John E. Blaha Same issue as above
 * Re-worded. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:13, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Subsequently, the date slipped and the crew "Subsequently" has many of the same issues as "however" in implying connections that may not exist. In this case, you lose nothing by culling it.
 * Deleted. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:13, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * she advised an aspiring astronaut to "study Russian" I don't think the quote marks are really necessary
 * Removed quotes. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:13, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * she was involved in the development of the Flight instruments display I doubt flight is a proper noun
 * De-capitated. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:13, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Can we think of a better title for the last prose section than "in popular culture"? These sections tend to become laundry lists of every mention of the subject. And on that note, I'm not sure all those appearances are notable enough to mention, but are there sources to support an overarching sentence about her public profile or appearances, so at least the list has context?
 * Changed to "public appearances". Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:13, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * What was it about the "iconic photo" that was so attractive? And how was it used to promote the bands?
 * I'll see if I can find something. Don't hold your breath. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:13, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Note 4 contains an inline external link, which is almost always a no-no.
 * Unlinked. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:13, 24 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Welcome back Harry. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:13, 24 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi Harry, I was wondering if you felt in a position to either support or oppose this nomination? Obviously, neither is obligatory. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:31, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I was holding out for some more on the photo but I guess Hawkeye hasn't been able to find anything material to add. Support. HJ Mitchell &#124; Penny for your thoughts? 23:17, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I found the discussion on Reddit but nothing more substantial on the image. It appears that it was never used because of the reflection of the tripod in the glass.  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  00:32, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Comments I
Thank you for your invitation to participate. Two things immediately come to my mind: (1) The sentence "Anna was interviewed by Connie Chung, and that night Bill took Anna and Resnik, who had also been selected, out to dinner to celebrate". Now "Connie Chung" links to a journalist, but that article doesn't mention any position ever held at NASA. Is this the same Connie Chung? If yes, NASA needs to be mentioned, if no, then a disambiguation link like Connie Chung (NASA) might be necessary. (2) Anna Lee Fisher's mother was born in Hof, Bavaria, Germany, and grew up in Munich; also Anna Lee Fisher is fluent in German. (My source is that I met a German autograph collector at a fair once who showed me a personalised autograph he had obtained from Dr Fisher as a child which was accompanied by a short letter from her in German). Might or might not be useful in the article.ViennaUK (talk) 13:25, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The Connie Chung link is fine - the journalist is the one who interviewed Fisher on TV. She never worked for NASA.
 * Yes, Fisher speaks German fluently. Added this to the article. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  18:34, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Comments II
Just a comment, not a full review, but I'm concerned that the 'iconic photo' section and its associated notes feels to me like OR. What secondary sources describe it as 'iconic'? FN 67 seems to only cite that the image was posted on ffffound, not any of the other preceding content. Why are these selected uses of the image encyclopedically relevant? Note three feels like speculation, particularly the sentence "It is possible Bryson photographed Fisher on multiple occasions, but that has yet to verified." How do we know that the blogspot post is accurate and was actually posted by Bryson's son? Why are Bryson's speculations posted on social media encyclopedically relevant in Note 4? What cites that " The only publicly available archive of Bryson's work is at The Briscoe Center for American History at The University of Texas."? What cites that " became massively popular on the internet"? Etc. Eddie891 Talk Work 15:02, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 * A note that my concerns have been addressed through 's source review below, thanks. Eddie891 Talk Work 14:11, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Comments by Wehwalt

 * "metallocarboranes,[7]" (both lead and body) Can we have links?
 * Linked. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  23:12, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * "published three articles in the Inorganic Chemistry." I'd get rid of the "the"
 * Deleted. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  23:12, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * "Sims was invited to come to the Johnson Space Center (JSC) in to Houston," probably the last "to" is not needed
 * Deleted. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  23:12, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * "On one weekend day each month, she worked in the emergency room at Houston Methodist Clear Lake Hospital or Tampa General Hospital in Florida or to keep her medical skills well-honed.[26] " Similarly the last "or".
 * Deleted. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  23:12, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * "Fisher was based at the White Sands Test Facility." It might be worth mentioning this was an alternate landing site.
 * Added. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  23:12, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * "It would open it like an umbrella, and take hold of the satellite." The second "it" seems surplus.
 * Deleted. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  23:12, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * "Fisher would also assist the Hauck and Walker as the mission's flight engineer (MS2)." Similarly the first "the"
 * Deleted. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  23:12, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * There's probably not much you can do about this, but our article says shear wind is a phenomenon of the lower atmosphere and you're talking about the upper atmosphere.
 * Changed to "high winds".
 * "This was the first time that a Space Shuttle had deployed a satellite a night." some error near the end
 * Changed to "at night". Hawkeye7   (discuss)  23:12, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * "Post-Challenger" can we italicize Challenger?
 * Doesn't seem to be prohibited (MOS:HEADING) so italicised. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  23:12, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * "Red Book magazine" Redbook, surely. And the magazine and TV program titles in this paragraph take italics.
 * Italicised. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  23:12, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * That's it.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:19, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks Wehwalt. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  23:12, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Support.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:45, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Support from SusunW
I had intended to review another woman before the end of the year, but real life issues got in the way. I don't usually work on living people, but found the article fascinating.
 * Thank you. There is still one more to come in the this series on the original six women astronauts: Shannon Lucid. I have already completed work on Sally Ride, Judith Resnik, Kathryn Sullivan and Rhea Seddon. I also have one ready on Eileen Collins. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  00:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Referring to the subject by her given name seems informal for an encyclopedic entry. WP:Surname indicates that the surname is preferred and distinction between which Fisher can easily be made by calling her spouse Bill. Suggest you use Sims/Fisher throughout.
 * Corrected a couple of instances. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  00:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * 3rd sentence seems really long. Possibly better to divide it?: She went back to Germany shortly before the outbreak of World War II to care for her grandmother. Unable to return to the United States due to the war, she served in the German military as a Morse code operator.
 * Split sentence. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  00:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * "After the war she had worked" and also "The two had returned", in both instances lose the "had".
 * Deleted. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  00:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * "Moved about frequently" appears twice, delete one of them.
 * Deleted. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  00:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * 1st sentence in 2nd paragraph seems really long. Perhaps: On May 5, 1961, when Sims was in the seventh grade at Fort Campbell Kentucky, her teacher brought in a transistor radio. The class listened to the radio broadcast of Alan Shepard becoming the first American in space, causing Sims to contemplate the idea of becoming an astronaut.
 * Re-worded this. See if you like it now. Interesting point is that Fisher set her sights on becoming an astronaut early. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  00:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Better. Thanks and yes, I cannot imagine knowing what one wanted to "be" so young. I still have no clue more than half-a-century on. SusunW (talk) 19:16, 6 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Lose the "the" before Inorganic Chemistry
 * Deleted already. (see above). Hawkeye7   (discuss)  00:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * "But she saw others who had earned PhDs after six years of work yet still could not find jobs, and decided to pursue medicine instead" seems rather informal for an encyclopedia entry. Perhaps: Noting a lack of employment opportunity for chemists who had earned PhDs, she decided to pursue medicine.
 * Changed as suggested. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  00:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * "who was now her fiancé" … No woman has been introduced in this paragraph. Perhaps: who was now Sims's fiancé
 * Changed as suggested. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  00:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it would be clearer to say "She was part of the third group, the first to include women, which had twenty applicants to be interviewed".
 * I don't see the problem here, and the suggested wording would loser the fact that the applicants were priocessed in groupds of twenty. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  00:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * No worries. SusunW (talk) 19:16, 6 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Lots of "she" in this "she was asked if she wanted to have children, and she told them that she…" Perhaps: Fisher was asked if she wanted to have children and responded not within the next five years.
 * Re-worded. (In Australia it is illegal to ask a question like this during an employment interview.) Hawkeye7   (discuss)  00:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * It is supposed to be illegal now in the US, but employers still find ways to ask those kinds of questions. I once had an employer ask to meet my husband on a 2nd interview, claiming that as it was a "family business" they liked their team to know the families of who they were hiring. I thought it weird, but brought him. They didn't ask me, they asked him. o.0 SusunW (talk) 19:16, 6 December 2022 (UTC)


 * "the existing classrooms, so during classroom instruction" …perhaps lose the 2nd classroom.
 * Deleted. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  00:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * "He had taken earned a Master of Science" … Either he took or he earned not both.
 * Deleted. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  00:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Would it not be astronaut spouses' club rather than astronauts' spouses club?
 * Yes. Corrected. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  00:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * "…also included David M. Walker as the pilot, Fisher as the flight engineer, and mission specialists Fisher, Gardner and Joseph P. Allen." Is she both the flight engineer and a mission specialist? (The reference p 134 of the pdf numbering doesn't indicate she was the flight engineer.)
 * Well yes, but no need to mention her twice. (The flight engineer is the mission specialist who sits behind the commander and pilot and assists them. The three form the flight deck crew. The other mission specialists conduct scientific experiments and EVAs. That a medical doctor is being used as flight engineer may indicate something about the roles of mission specialists.) Hawkeye7   (discuss)  00:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * There will be a brief delay while I get an additional source. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  00:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Added an additional source. And a bit about the role of the flight engineer. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  18:46, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Much clearer. SusunW (talk) 19:16, 6 December 2022 (UTC)


 * "In February she", first use in the paragraph should not be a pronoun, rather "In February Fisher"
 * Corrected. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  00:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * "It would open it"? Perhaps: It would open the nozzle
 * Deleted already. (see above). Hawkeye7   (discuss)  00:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * "One the other end" … Should this be on? and is this a grapple fixture?
 * Yes and yes. Corrected and linked., Hawkeye7   (discuss)  00:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * "Fisher would use the RMS to grab hold of it" Grab hold of what? The grapple? or the satellite? If it is the satellite, then "maneuver it into the cargo bay".
 * Re-worded. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  00:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Much better. SusunW (talk) 19:16, 6 December 2022 (UTC)


 * "The mission insignia Fisher designed" seems a pretty abrupt transition from the previous section. Why was she designing an insignia? For herself or officially? I tried to access the link to the citation but it doesn't work. Correct link clarifies she was asked to design it. Probably needs clarification and definitely needs the link fixed.
 * Corrected the link. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  00:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * "She was chief (1997-1998) and deputy chief (1998-1999) …in that role" These are 2 different jobs. Do you mean in both roles?
 * Yes. Corrected. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  00:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * My concerns about the iconic photo section are similar to Eddie891's. Do we have any high quality sources that discuss the controversy about its origins? I see a lot of speculation in sources that aren't particularly reliable, that it appeared on the cover of Life, which would not likely have published without a photo credit. A search of its magazine covers for that year shows it did not.
 * As the article notes, Life never ran it on the cover. The image is part of a whole roll of shots. Although Commons accepts it as a NASA image, I preferred to run it as a WP:NONFREE image, given the uncertainty. I cut the whole section right back, as I felt it included material that properly belonged on the talk page. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  00:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Enjoyed reading the article. Please ping me when you have answered to ensure that I respond timely. SusunW (talk) 21:19, 5 December 2022 (UTC)


 * All points addressed. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  18:46, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Happy to support. Thanks for your work on the article. SusunW (talk) 19:16, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Support Comments from JennyOz
Hello Hawkeye, another fine bio. I have only a few suggestions and questions...

lede
 * became the first mother to fly in space in 1984 - is ambiguous (unless of course there was another mother later in 1984). Either add comma after "space" (same style as "astronauts to include women, in January 1978." just below) or reword to 'in 1984 she became...'
 * Re-worded as suggested. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

early life
 * Riley F. Tingle - so how did she get name Sims?
 * Good question. Short answer is that we don't know. You're only the second person to notice after myself. I thought is was real red flag. It could have been her mother's maiden name, or it could have been someone else. Note that her mother married Tingle in April 1949 and Sims was born in August. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * On May 5, 1961, when Sims was in the seventh grade at Fort Campbell, Kentucky. Her teacher - should not be new sentence?
 * Joined. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * studies of metallocarboranes,[7] and published - wlink metallocarboranes again (ie beyond lede)
 * Linked. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

nasa astronaut
 * Mark Mecikalski, .... At lunch one day - add year here? (1976? 1977?)
 * They had three weeks to submit their applications, so it was June 1977. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Both of them applied. - 'They both applied' sounds better?
 * Yes. Changed as suggested. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * NASA received 8,079 applications, and chose 208 of them for further screening - "of them" not needed?
 * Sure. Changed as suggested. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * and the two became friends. - Bill and Resnik or Sims and Resnik?
 * Yes. Changed to "Resnik and the Fishers". Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * While both Sims and Bill hoped to be selected, - Anna (or Fisher) (because she has changed last name by now?)
 * Moved this up earlier. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * due to her background in chemistry as well as medicine - chemistry and medicine?
 * They're both doctors. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * note 1 - Valentina Tereshkova and Andriyan Nikolayev had married - start with 'Soviets'?
 * Added "Russian cosmonauts" Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * fit women (called the extra-small Extravehicular Mobility Unit or EMU) - wlink Extravehicular Mobility Unit
 * Linked. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * of an extra-small hard upper torso (HUT) - wlink Hard Upper Torso
 * Linked. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * fit medium and large sized suits, ... suits to fit small-sized astronauts - standardise hyphens? ie medium- and large-sized
 * Standardised. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * 1980 astronaut selections—Fisher, Rhea Seddon and - mentioned already so just Seddon
 * Changed as suggested. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * procedures for ascent, on-orbit, and RMS software - typo in-orbit
 * Corrected. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

STS-51-A
 * Fisher became pregnant at this time. - clarify what time?
 * It was in late 1982. Added. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * when she was four and a half months pregnant - hyphenate
 * Hyphenated. I think I got that correct. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * members of the crew of the STS-41-G mission - wlink
 * The link would point to the wrong article. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * the crew was assigned to the STS-41-H - no wlink ?
 * No article, and it's not on the list of canceled missions. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * In February she went to New York City - new year add 1984?
 * Added 1984. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * the fourteenth space Shuttle flight - cap S on space
 * Capitalised. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * came up with to capture the satellites with was to use a device - second "with" can go?
 * Reworded. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * to fly over to the satellite and place the stinger inside its rocket nozzle of the satellite - "of the satellite" can be removed?
 * Removed. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Fisher was asked to design the insignia for this mission. Her design had - that patch in ibox is so tiny (and I expect readers may not make connection to it from this prose) - any ideas?
 * Added the mission patch to the article. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * In the weeks and months leading up to the flight - months and weeks
 * "Weeks and months" is the usual idiom. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Discovery lifted off from Launch Pad 39A at KSC on November 8, 1984, on Discovery's second mission.[48] Once Discovery was - too many Discoverys? make second its
 * Changed as suggested. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * using a spring ejection mechanism - hyphen spring-ejection?
 * Um, okay. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * using the Frisbee style mechanism that had - hyphen? Frisbee-style
 * Um, okay. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * rendezvoused with Palapa B2 - wlink Palapa B2
 * Linked. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Out of communication with mission control - wlink Mission control
 * Linked. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Fisher maneuvered it so Allan could - typo Allen
 * Well spotted. Corrected. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * also operated a Radiation Monitoring Equipment (RME) device - wlink Radiation Monitoring Equipment?
 * Linked. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * medals were presented by President Ronald Reagan[52] Fisher was - insert full stop
 * Added full stop. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Post-Challenger
 * In December, Fisher was assigned - add year
 * Added year. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Fisher was assigned to mission STS-61-C - wlink STS-61-C
 * Linked. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * and Norman E. Thagard and - already linked above (as Norman Thagard)
 * Unlinked. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * That mission was cancelled in the - one L for US spelling?
 * Corrected. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Fisher worked as the Deputy of the Mission Development Branch of the Astronaut Office, and as the astronaut office representative for Flight Data File issues. In that capacity, she served as the crew representative on the Crew Procedures Change Board. Fisher served on the Astronaut Selection Board for NASA Astronaut Group 12 in 1987. Fisher also served - too many Fishers? second can be she?
 * Re-worded. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * checked their records, and the Fisher was awarded her Master of Science degree - and then Fisher? (or remove "the")
 * Deleted "the". Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Iconic photograph
 * Incubus,[72] The Arctic Monkeys - remove The
 * Deleted "The". Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * note 2 but that has yet to verified -  yet to be
 * note 3 issue of Life Magazine - m
 * Decapitated. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * note 3 Sygma - wlink Sygma (agency)
 * Linked. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

References books Thanks and looking forward to the next. JennyOz (talk) 12:32, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Mullane and Seddon are both out of alpha order
 * Ordered. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Internet v internet
 * Decapitated. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for reviewing. Shanon Lucid will complete the set of the six original women astronauts. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, I was wondering if you felt in a position to either support or oppose this nomination? Obviously, neither is obligatory. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:44, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for ping, somehow this review page had disappeared from my watchlist. Haven't had that happen before, well, at least not that I've noticed! Thanks for tweaks and replies Hawkeye. I just made 2 small edits for you to check. I am pleased to s'port - and do let me know when Lucid ready if I don't notice its nom. JennyOz (talk) 04:11, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Source review
Footnote numbers refer to this version. Will check links after these points are addressed. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 17:21, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Shayler & Burgess (2020) is not in alphabetical position in the references.
 * Corrected (see above). Hawkeye7   (discuss)  21:34, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Mullane is missing the publisher location.
 * Added. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  21:34, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * FN 62 should be marked as a dead link.
 * Marked as dead. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  21:34, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * For FN 67 I can't see the relevant source as it's paywalled but I suspect the title does not really include the YYYY-MM-DD date.
 * Although it is paywalled, you can still see the cover. Added the correct article title Hawkeye7   (discuss)  21:34, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Any reason why you give the location for just three of the web cites -- FNs 77, 78, and 83 (the last of which is slightly different from the first two)?
 * Deleted. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  21:34, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * You have domain name instead of website in some cases -- in FN 81 for example you have "mydelineatedlife.blogspot.com", but the website title is actually "The Pictorial Arts".
 * Changed as suggested. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  21:34, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Still a couple to fix: search for momanddadday.com, gettyimages.com, wtnh.com, reddit.com, legacy.com, ffffound.com, 411posters.com, arctic-monkeys-store.com, gigposters.com. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:22, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I still see wtnh.com, which I think will be taken care of by the next point. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:26, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * What's the logic for choosing publisher or website for the web citations? You have both publisher and website for FN 82, for example, but publisher only for FN 68 and website only for 88.  In a couple of cases you have neither -- e.g. FN 71.
 * I try to use publisher whenever I can.
 * Consistency is all that's needed. The website italicizes and the publisher does not, so the formatting is inconsistent if the citations vary between the two; plus e.g. for 82 you have both.  It doesn't matter which you pick (or both) so long as it's consistent.  Looking at what you have it would probably be quickest to drop the "work=" parameter to make it consistent as you have that in only a few cites; and then make sure they all have publisher -- as far as I can see only Leary, Mckie, Mikati, and Gellman are missing the publisher parameter. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 22:28, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * All websites removed. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  03:30, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * One left -- FN 65. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:26, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Done. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  17:14, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I would suggest dropping FN 6, the LinkedIn source; the fact that she speaks German just about passes the "not unduly self-serving" requirement of WP:ABOUTSELF, but it's not an important fact for the article, and I would suggest only including this sort of source where it's needed to establish relevant information.
 * See above for the discussion. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  21:34, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Struck; I'm not thrilled about it but I think it meets the requirements. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:21, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Why do we think the "Mother of the Year Award" is worth noting? I think the source is reliable for establishing she won it, but does the award itself get coverage that implies it's worth mentioning?
 * I don't know how widespread the coverage of the award is, but it was enough for her to go on national TV on NBC, and being the first mother in space is part of her claim to notability. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  21:34, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * What makes ffffound.com a reliable source? I think you're just using it to establish virality, but I don't think the page you link to does that -- as far as I can see it has 568 reposts, which is not really viral.
 * The text only says that it was reposted on ffffound.com, and the website itself is a reliable source for that. The reference is used only to support that fact that it appeared there; not to support any facts. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  21:34, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Note 2 and note 3 rely on multiple citations to reddit and a blog. Why should we consider these a reliable way to establish the history of the image?
 * I wouldn't cite a discussion on Reddit as a source of factual information, but it is a reliable source for the fact that something was discussed on Reddit. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  21:34, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I was going to post a reply regarding the last two points, but I went back and looked through this FAC to see if others had commented on the image discussion, and 's comments echo my thoughts. It feels like OR to me.  I think it would be better to reduce this to something like "Other than the publicity she does herself, her likeness has been widely shared on the internet and it has been used in various promotions and tribute art. A photograph taken by John Bryson, almost in profile, has been frequently posted on social media sites."  Then move all the notes to the talk page in case we can find secondary sources covering this later.  The band promotion links are OK. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 22:38, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * With pleasure. Moved to the talk page. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  03:30, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I would suggest removing the sentence that says it's an iconic photograph; the sources we have don't allow us to make that sort of broad cultural statement. We can still say it was frequently reposted and used to promote bands. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 12:26, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Deleted. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  17:14, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Pass. All points addressed. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 17:40, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Image review
All look good except:
 * File:Anna Fisher suits up.jpg. One source link is dead and the other gives no information to confirm this as a NASA PD image.
 * The image can be found at . I have updated the link on Commons. In future this may not be possible; link rot is inevitable, but stuff on Commons is not routinely archived like stuff on Wikipedia. We may not be able to find a link even when one still exists. And we need to keep pushing WMF to acquire archive.org. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  19:31, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 * File:Sts-51-a-patch.png One dead link (mix.msfc seems to be an issue) and the other won't load for me. How do we know the mission patch was designed by NASA and was not produced outside of the agency and the copyright acquired? Even if it was designed by Fisher, a federal employee, how would it be within the scope of her duties (the requirement for PD works of the federal government) to design insignia?
 * The image is at You can find all the patches via . A major part of an astronaut's duties are publicity related, with publicity tours after every mission, and rostered public relations assignment duty (which most of them dislike to varying degrees). Astronauts have been creating designs for mission patches as part of their duties since the 1960s. In the Shuttle era the logos were used on merchandise, posters etc used at NASA and contractor sites. I hadn't thought of this before, but one of the reasons for having it done by astronauts is as you describe.  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  19:31, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Despite the above discussion with Mike Christie, the image page still describes the fair use image as "iconic", you may want to tone that down.
 * Changed the heading back to "In popular culture". If you have a better suggestion let me know. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  19:31, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 * That's it.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:18, 19 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Pass--Wehwalt (talk) 21:33, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Gog the Mild (talk) 22:09, 22 December 2022 (UTC)