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The article was promoted by User:Ian Rose 00:34, 23 July 2013 (UTC).

Anne, Queen of Great Britain

 * Nominator(s): DrKiernan (talk) 13:44, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Giving this a second go after a minor expansion. DrKiernan (talk) 13:44, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Support on prose per new standard disclaimer. I've looked at the changes made since the first time I reviewed this for FAC. I had to click on the "improved diff", and I read all the "green" changes (additions) in full, but not all the red changes. I found no problems since the last review. - Dank (push to talk) 21:34, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Important topic- happy to offer a review.
 * The first paragraph isn't quite right for me, and that's surely the most important in the article. Saying she ascended to the throne on 8 March before saying she was a Queen of England is a little jarring, for me.
 * Lead amended.


 * "It was her last journey outside England." So she never visited Scotland or Ireland as Queen? Believable, but I'm just double-checking!
 * That's correct. It was not particularly unusual. The next monarch to visit Scotland was George IV. I would suspect that Irish visits were even rarer.


 * Does one "suffer a stillbirth" in the same way someone may "suffer a stroke"? Same with "suffer a miscarriage".
 * Butting in ... it's in the dictionaries, and I believe it's fine. - Dank (push to talk)
 * "She justified herself by saying that "she was used to play and never loved to do anything that looked like an affected constraint."" I don't follow- who's the "she" Ann refers to? [Looking again, I understand now- you're not quoting her. That's not immediately clear, though! Perhaps something like "She justified herself by saying that, in the words of John Smith, "..."."
 * Amended.


 * "I was much affected by this sight ..."[93] Are you perhaps missing a full-stop here?
 * The full quote continues "affected by this sight, and the more when she had occasion to mention her people of Scotland, which she did frequently to the Duke."
 * Perhaps there should be a full stop after you close the quote? J Milburn (talk) 12:58, 3 July 2013 (UTC)


 * "Occasional Conformity Bill" Worth a redlink?
 * I've created a redirect.


 * "She was the last British sovereign to veto a parliamentary bill, although her action was barely commented upon at the time.[142]" Maybe this is a myth, but didn't Victoria veto something about punishing lesbians?
 * Internet chatter seems to think it's a myth created for a demonstration in New Zealand in 1977.


 * "the Marquis de Guiscard" - Worth a redlink?
 * Stubbed.


 * "By July, Anne had lost confidence in Harley, saying "that he neglected all business; that he was seldom to be understood; that when he did explain himself, she could not depend upon the truth of what he said; that he never came to her at the time she appointed; that he often came drunk; [and] last, to crown all, he behaved himself towards her with ill manner, indecency and disrespect."" Again, I assumed these were Anne's own words, and it threw me when I realised that they weren't.
 * Amended.

Really strong article, beautifully written. I'll be happy to support (assuming image/source checks are fine) once the small issues above are clarified. I like the way you've kept the cultural portrayals/things named after her out of the main article, but I wouldn't be opposed to a paragraph mentioning them overall/any particularly significant ones. J Milburn (talk) 22:21, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * "Contemporary chronicler Narcissus Luttrell did not specify a gender," Sex, not gender.
 * "gender" is in the dictionaries in this sense; it used to be that it was preferred over "sex", though I think both are fine these days. - Dank (push to talk) 03:19, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It's reasonable to understand the two as different (see sex and gender distinction) and if you are doing so, it's the sex of a baby that a physician would look for. J Milburn (talk) 09:21, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Redrafted to avoid either.
 * Thank you for the review. Answers interspersed. DrKiernan (talk) 12:28, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Support, provided the source/image checks come back clear. Seems like a comprehensive, very well-written article. On top of that, it's an important topic that would probably be covered in a traditional encyclopedia. What's not to love? J Milburn (talk) 12:58, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Image check - all OK (PD-age, own work). Sources and authors provided. Just one comment (unrelated to FAC).
 * While the WMF rightfully rejected the National Portray Gallery's copyright claim for old images of 2D-art (like the infobox image), it may be wise to select another image for an eventual TFA-display (no need to wake sleeping dogs). GermanJoe (talk) 08:34, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Source review - spotchecks not done. Quotes longer than c.40 words should be blockquoted, but the citations themselves are fine. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:21, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Support on prose and comprehensiveness. I do have a few comments to this most excellent majestic article. I should add there were certain things I was looking for (basically, the things I knew about Anne, which weren't much) and every one of them was hit. (the Scottish Militia Bill would be an example):
 * Lede
 * "no surviving legitimate children". Did he have any legitimate children?  If not, is the word "surviving" needed? (also applies to identical phrasing in "Early Life")
 * Marriage
 * The word "visited" occurs three times in reasonably close succession in the second and third paragraphs. Suggest the middle one be varied.
 * " she gave birth to two daughters" The word "she" could probably safely be axed.
 * Accession of James
 * second sentence "appoint/appointment" suggest "appoint" be changed to "name"
 * "Glorious Revolution"
 * "Anne and Sarah fled from Whitehall" The repeated "and"s in this sentence are displeasing.
 * "where she met Prince George in triumph, escorted by a large company" it is unclear whether she or George was in triumph, ditto on escorted.
 * Two-party politics
 * "a woman of the bedchamber who became more amenable to Anne" this seems a bit ambiguous.
 * Legacy
 * It might well be worth noting that it was Anne's reign was (really, continuing from previous reigns) an age of exploration.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:50, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Changes made. DrKiernan (talk) 20:13, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Drive-by comment from Aa77zz
 * It strikes me as odd that the section headed "Act of Settlement" contains two paragraphs on the Anne's health - one speculating on the cause of her failed pregnancies and another on her gout. Aa77zz (talk) 07:02, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Support this excellent article, with a few questions:
 * Do you know why William opposed Anne's allowance after his accession?
 * On the Morley/Freeman thing, I thought the nicknames were meant to facilitate a relationship of greater equality between the two when they were alone. Is that not so?  It's not clear from your text.
 * In the "Act of Union" section, an introductory sentence might help explain what it was and why people wanted it.
 * Thank you for explaining why Anne vetoed that Scottish Militia Bill! I knew it was the last time that happened, but never knew the reason behind it.  --Coemgenus (talk) 13:10, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Changes made. DrKiernan (talk) 20:13, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Delegate note -- Just about to promote but I'd have expected to see a source for the short para under Titles and styles, unless the info was mentioned/cited in the main body and I missed it. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 07:28, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Added, thanks. DrKiernan (talk) 08:44, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 10:11, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
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