Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Anti-tobacco movement in Nazi Germany


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by User:SandyGeorgia 19:33, 27 August 2008.

Anti-tobacco movement in Nazi Germany

 * Nominator(s):  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk)

I'm nominating this article for featured article because I feel it covers the matter wholesomely. The article is listed as a History good article.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 02:32, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Restart, old nom. Sources checked. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 04:03, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Support - as previously. Sceptre (talk) 06:12, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Support - as previously. -- Relata refero (disp.) 09:36, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose (FA criteria 3)
 * Image:German anti-smoking ad.jpeg
 * 1) I do not believe that this a "unique historic image", as there are other anti-smoking ads, so that tag should be replaced with something more generic.
 * 2) The image description says "possibly PD because of age. Needs to be checked" - This checking needs to be done.
 * 3) The image description says the image may be replaceable, if a PD image can be found. However, fair use images are only allowed when no free image is available - we need to be sure no free images are available (WP:NFCC #1).
 * 4) The purpose is not strong enough - illustration is not enough of a reason for an image to be included. An image must "significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic" and the fair use rationale must explain how this is accomplished (WP:NFCC #8).
 * Image:AntiSmokingNaziGermany.jpg - This is not a "unique historic image", either, and needs a generic fair use tag. It also needs the name of the copyright holder. Awadewit (talk) 19:55, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hold some time, I am coming back with the issue with images.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 06:48, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:German anti-smoking ad.jpeg
 * 1) The "unique historic image" tag is removed and it is replaced by.
 * 2) There is no free image available and it is copyrighted. The field is properly reworded.
 * 3) No PD image is available and so mentioned.
 * 4) The image significantly increases readers understanding by depicting how Nazis published anti-tobacco ads and it is now properly mentioned in the fair use rationale.

Image:AntiSmokingNaziGermany.jpg I have replaced the "unique historic image" tag with since it is the cover page of a magazine. Regarding the second issue with the name of the copyright holder, it is not necessary, I discussed this with administrator Future Perfect at Sunrise.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 10:18, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Image concerns have now been met. Thank you for taking the time to be precise about these matters. Awadewit (talk) 17:54, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Comment:
 * Would it be too much trouble or disruptive to the lead to add sentences briefly summarizing the Reproductive policies section and the Association with antisemitism and racism section. As a rule of thumb I like to see the lead contain information from each body section. Also, could we bring Tony back for a prose status check? Dabomb87 (talk) 23:04, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Good idea. I have added a bit information about Hitler's attitude towards smoking, reproductive policies and antisemitism and racism in the lead.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 10:30, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Support.--Yannismarou (talk) 12:32, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Comments on this version Support as of this version, Jappalang
 * Lead
 * "The Nazi anti-tobacco campaign included restrictions ..." is a very long sentence filled with many "restrictions". Might it be possible to rephrase it into separate sentences with different verbs?
 * "The world's first public anti-smoking campaign was more powerful and serious than the anti-tobacco movement in Germany at the beginning of the 21st century." The source does not tally with the sentence.  The study was published in 1997.  Policies can change in the three years leading to the start of the 21st century.  Should the correct term be "at the end of the 20th century" or is it an original synthesis?
 * Hitler's attitude towards smoking
 * Probably a matter of semantics regarding the clause "but gave up after concluding it was a waste of money." Is "but gave up the habit, concluding it was a waste of money." accurate?  With my suggestion, I had an image of Hitler actually looking at his cigerette and going "Bah, what a waste of money."  The original clause made me picture Hitler seemingly coming up with a conclusion during a non-smoking phase and sticking with it.
 * I am particularly interested by "was concerned over Hermann Göring's continued smoking in public places." I felt this was a great hook in the article at this point (a high-ranking close associate who smoked and Hitler pushed for an anti-smoking campaign).  Hence, I am a bit disappointed that the article does not address Göring's actions during the campaign.  Did he defy the bans and smoked on office premises?  The actions of such high profile officers are not discussed in the "Effectiveness" section, though their wives are...
 * Effectiveness
 * Might it be better to set the table to float on the right of the third paragraph? Its width introduces a large whitespace on the right.
 * After World War II
 * "The present day anti-tobacco campaign in Germany ..." might not be applicable ten to fifteen years later. Since the sentence states "at the end of the 20th century" near the end, why not move the time frame to the start of the sentence?
 * Images
 * I think Image:AntiSmokingNaziGermany.jpg is not as valuable as Image:German anti-smoking ad.jpeg, hence its fair-use can be doubtful. Can the former's caption further expand on its importance to the article?  While the latter tells of the advert's intention, the former is simply just a "cover page".  A translation or explanation of its vitriolic materials (on the cover page) in the caption would help.
 * All in all, the article is in very good shape, but I would like a clarification of my thoughts above before setting an opinion. Jappalang (talk) 02:25, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Reply
 * Lead
 * "The Nazi anti-tobacco campaign included restrictions ..." I have split the large sentence into two smaller sentences. Done
 * "The world's first public anti-smoking campaign was more powerful and serious than the anti-tobacco movement in Germany at the beginning of the 21st century." Good point. I have reworded the sentence and changed it to "at the end of the 20th century". Done


 * Hitler's attitude towards smoking
 * You are right that the wording "but gave up the habit, concluding it was a waste of money" will be more appropriate. I have reworded the sentence. Done
 * Proctor did not mention anything about Göring's role in the campaign; it is very likely he was inactive or uninvolved in the anti-tobacco movement.


 * Effectiveness
 * I have moved the table to float on the right of the third paragraph. Done


 * After World War II
 * Good point, I have reworded the sentence. Done


 * Images
 * Regarding Image:AntiSmokingNaziGermany.jpg, Reine Luft was the main journal of the anti-tobacco movement. Out of the various anti-tobacco journals published by the Nazis, Reine Luft was the most important anti-tobacco journal of Nazi era. I have mentioned it in the caption.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 08:03, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I am supporting the article to be an FA.  I have also tweaked the table layout a tad.  For the image, I put an idea brought forth in the talk page to action.  Regardless, these two edits of mine are minor and would not deter my support.  Jappalang (talk) 22:06, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Big blue blob, pipe linked to "aging": "below the age of 25 and over the age of 55". Just one of the "age"s would have been better as the pipe, but can you explain why such a general wide-ranging article should be useful to understanding this phrase and the context? Tony   (talk)  12:08, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I have removed the pipe link and removed the questionable link.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 05:44, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
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