Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Apogee Stadium/archive2


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by User:GrahamColm 10:03, 5 July 2013 (UTC).

Apogee Stadium

 * Nominator(s): Runfellow (talk) 19:14, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

This is my second nomination of this article, as the first one just sort of sat around before being archived. I believe I have addressed the major points of the first review. Since that time, I have kept the article current and have added content and information. The article is as well-researched and comprehensive as anyone could ever get about the subject, it has been stable since the last review, and no one has raised any major issues. Your suggestions and feedback are appreciated. Thanks. – Runfellow (talk) 19:14, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Advice WP:NBA went nearly 4 years without an FA. When I did Juwan Howard, I tracked down everyone who is still active who reviewed more than one of the current NBA FAs and asked them to come take a look. I would go through WP:FA and find all the stadia. Go through the passing FA nominations and find all the people who have been involved in more than one. Ask them to take a look at this. I would also request that you come take a look at my Tommy Amaker FAC.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:52, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice; I'll see what I can do about contacting some people. – Runfellow (talk) 17:30, 1 June 2013 (UTC)


 * WP:LEAD
 * Why is the architect not mentioned in the LEAD? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:52, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Why is the architect not mentioned in the LEAD? – Dunno. I put them in there now, though. – Runfellow (talk) 17:30, 1 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I doubt they built a stadium to host 6 events per year. What else other than NT football has happened at the stadium?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:52, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * What else other than NT football has happened at the stadium? – According to this source, the original plan was that "in addition to hosting UNT events, it will serve the community as a venue for concerts, competitions, high school games, and local events." But other than a single regional marching band contest in 2012 (it has since been moved to Eagle Stadium in Allen for 2013), I've yet to find any sources referring to pretty much anything else being held there except an occasional university meeting or two. The Ticketmaster profile for the venue has not listed any events other than UNT football games. – Runfellow (talk) 17:30, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Can you augment the article with this content.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:40, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Added the BOA stuff. Ticketmaster is (rightly) blacklisted as a "source" but it wouldn't be much of a source anyway. – Runfellow (talk) 16:12, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * What about Mean Green Track & field?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:40, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * There's no track at the new stadium. A bit of disclosure: I'm all the more aware of this because I was on the track team at the time it was proposed. – Runfellow (talk) 16:12, 4 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Early planning and finance
 * It is not clear to me how a football stadium would help meet Title IX since at most school there were traditionally more men's sports than women's.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:52, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The implication here is that Title IX was just used as an excuse to raise the fee. The initial fee wasn't meant to pay for the stadium, per se (though whether or not the land for the Mean Green Village would have been purchased without an increase is probably up for debate), but it provides context for the stadium fee vote, in that (a) students had already rejected a previous athletics fee, (b) they had been overruled, and (c) they voted to recall the student senators who overruled them. – Runfellow (talk) 17:30, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Can you find a critic that says Title IX was an excuse to raise the fee.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:48, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * This source pretty much explains it. Not sure if I know what you're asking for, though. – Runfellow (talk) 16:12, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Update: I found some information from the university itself that gave me a bit more information and detail as far as how the 2002 fee was proposed, augmented, eventually passed, etc. and I have added it to the article, changing that paragraph significantly. Hopefully that should clear some things up. – Runfellow (talk) 19:48, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Is Michael Moore an alum? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:52, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Is Michael Moore an alum? – No, he just visited the school that year, and when he learned about the situation, he publicly endorsed the idea of students recalling the student senators. – Runfellow (talk) 17:30, 1 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Also not clear how building a football stadium will help "consolidation of academic facilities"--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:52, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I think my response to this got accidentally deleted while reformatting, no biggie. Here's my original response:
 * Nor am I, but really all I can do to maintain NPOV here is relate what people said were the reasons at the time. We can't know what Raefs was thinking. It's possible that since Fouts Field was on the side of I-35 with most of the major campus buildings, it's demolition (and the new stadium's construction on the other side) would mean more room for new academic buildings. – Runfellow (talk) 16:12, 4 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Athletics fee referendum
 * "street preachers or troubadours" both are terms that are unfamiliar. Please link. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:19, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I've added wikilinks to Open-air preaching and Troubadours. Thanks for your help and suggestions. – Runfellow (talk) 17:30, 1 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Opening
 * the 2012 season, average game attendance saw a slight increase to 18,927. Did any game surpass 28,075 or is that still the stadium attendance record?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:09, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It is still the record. – Runfellow (talk) 16:12, 4 June 2013 (UTC)


 * 2012 North Texas Mean Green football team should not be in the main article template. Just link it in the proper paragraph.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:09, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. – Runfellow (talk) 16:12, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Comments –
 * Double period in the second paragraph by HKS, Inc. could use fixing.
 * The Houston Cougars football team could do with a link later in the same paragraph.
 * Reference 52 needs a publisher. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 01:28, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Fixed all three, thanks. – Runfellow (talk) 18:14, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Graham Colm (talk) 19:29, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
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