Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Ashley Tisdale/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 23:29, 26 July 2009.

Ashley Tisdale

 * Nominator(s): Decodet (talk) 00:14, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because we've been working on this article for months and I think it's now good enough to be a featured article, since it only has relevant and well-sourced text. The article also has good images and a informative infobox. The lead section summarizes the topic very well and it's also well-written and comprehensive. Decodet (talk) 00:14, 8 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Support. The Ashley Tisdale article is generally well-written, neutral, well-researched and does not neglect any major facts or details in Tisdale's life and career. Nevertheless the article has faced several edit wars in the past. The article is well sourced and the article has been listed as one of the good articles under the good article criteria. The article is not a target to vandalism because of it's protection level. Vandalism on the article is very low. There are several questionable sources in the article mainly due to the content in Tisdale's old site being lost, the questionable sources include SuperiorPics and NetGlimpse. On the other hand, most of the text in the article is attached to reliable sources. But in conclusion, the article still requires cleaning up and better structure. Olivewildes (talk) 03:14, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Support: Don't see any issues, but splitting up the reflist to too would be good. I know there's no different for IE, but still. Great work, BTW.  The Flash  {talk} 23:28, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose This is nowhere near FA quality. Needs a thorough overhaul; unreliable sources, narrative flow is non-existent.
 * Unreliable sources. Not good when the first two sources I see (and that are heavily relied upon for her early life section) in no way meet WP:RS.
 * http://www.netglimse.com/celebs/pages/ashley_tisdale/index.shtml
 * http://www.kidzworld.com/article/7115-ashley-tisdale-biography
 * This does not meet FA's 1a standard of professional prose. The entire article lacks a narrative flow, and reads like a collection of shallow facts converted to prose rather than a compelling encyclopedic article. Examples:
 * "At the age of three, Tisdale was discovered by Bill Perlman, her current manager, at South Shores Mall.[2] On her first audition, Tisdale landed a JC Penney spot and went on to appear in more than 100 commercials as a kid.[1] At the age of eight, she was cast in a leading role in the Broadway musical, Les Misérables, and later toured internationally with the cast of Annie.[1] She began her acting career by appearing in Gypsy: A Musical Fable and The Sound of Music at the Jewish Community Center of Monmouth County.[1][10] At the age of twelve, Tisdale sang for Bill Clinton in the White House.[1]" Take some lines from a resume and convert it to a paragraph, and this is the result. "...at South Shores Mall." <-- an anecdote cut short? Where the heck is South Shores Mall? What does "discovered" mean? "On her first audition," When? What type of audition? "JC Penney spot" spot = what? "as a kid"? Could we be more generic? This sentence is not supported by the given source. "later toured" - let's be more specific. "She began her acting career by appearing in Gypsy:" Wait, what? We just read that she appeared in Les Mis and Annie... When was this? "At the age of twelve, Tisdale sang"... what was she doing there?
 * "In January 2007, Blender magazine said, "Tisdale has a gift. Not an angelic voice or a dazzling personality, but an even rarer commodity: millions of "pre-sold" tweens eager to buy her debut album!".[42] Tisdale was romantically involved with Jared Murillo until March 2009.[43] In March 2007, Tisdale told Blender she was drug and alcohol-free, and doesn't smoke and went on to add, "my mom really instilled confidence in me, so I'm not somebody who'd be under peer pressure".[44] She was ranked #10 in Maxim's 2008 Hot 100 list.[45] In June 2008, Tisdale was ranked at #94 on Forbes' Celebrity 100 list.[46] Tisdale has appeared on the magazine cover of Seventeen, Cosmopolitan, Shape and other magazines. Tisdale is cited several times in David Denby's book Snark.[47] Tisdale was ranked #6 in "Forbes' Hollywood's 10 Top-Paid Tweens" list.[48] Tisdale earned $2.8 million from High School Musical 3.[49] In 2008, Tisdale was ranked #17 in "Forbes' High Earners Under 30" list.[50]" Just try reading this paragraph. TwilligToves (talk) 00:59, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I've read your opposition. I tried to find better references for her early career and I put a Billboard reference istead of the previous sources, which are less reliable. About her performance for Bill Clinton, I didn't find any reliable sources explaining what she was doing there. The only thing I found is she was singing. Also, there was a error, she began her theatrical career by appearing in Gypsy, not acting, since she was already featured on other Broadway musicals. It was fixed. Also, I tried to improve 'Personal Life' paragraph, I think it's more comprehensive. Decodet (talk) 17:26, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

This article was not listed at WP:FAC; please resubmit when TT's objections are met. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 23:31, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
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