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Assassination of Talat Pasha

 * Nominator(s): (t &#183; c)  buidhe  19:20, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

After shooting the main perpetrator of the Armenian Genocide, Soghomon Tehlirian said, "I have killed a man, but I am not a murderer". His defense was so successful that, as noted by one newspaper, "In reality it was the blood-stained shadow of Talât Pasha who was sitting on the defendant’s bench; and the true charge was the ghastly Armenian Horrors, not his execution by one of the few victims left alive." The jury agreed with Tehlirian. But can extrajudicial killing ever "uphold the moral order of mankind"? Raphael Lemkin thought so; he later said that it was this assassination and the resulting spectacular trial that sparked his interest in war crimes, eventually leading to his invention of the concept of genocide. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  19:20, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Image review
 * File:Talat_Pasha_cropped.jpg: for the purposes of the EU tag, on what date was this made publicly available?
 * It appears to be anonymous, or at least Library of Congress doesn't know who the author is. It was published by Neue Photographische Gesellschaft so I used a no author disclosure PD tag.
 * Okay, but that tag requires that it was published over 70 years ago. Do we know that to be the case? Nikkimaria (talk) 18:54, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Neue Photographische Gesellschaft shut down in 1948, so if it was published by them it must have been more than 70 years ago. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  18:57, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
 * File:Armenian_deportations_in_Erzurum_by_Victor_Pietschmann_03.jpg: which rationale from the Austrian tag is believed to apply, and what's the status of this work in the US?
 * I believe that this is considered a simple photograph as it doesn't "involve artistic interpretations". If so, it was either unpublished or else published in Pietschmann's 1940 book, so the copyright would have expired by 1996.
 * File:Talat_Pasha_cable_of_29_August_1915.png: does the source give any further info on the provenance of this work?
 * No, although I'm pretty sure it was found in an archive.
 * File:William_Tell_LCCN2003689314_(cropped).jpg: when and where was this first published, and what is the author's date of death?
 * The source doesn't say exactly, just that it is free use. In this case the author was S. Zickel who apparently founded his own publishing house by 1870.
 * File:Ein_Zeugnis_für_Talaat_Pasha.png: what is the author's date of death? Nikkimaria (talk) 17:43, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
 * 1950. Added to image description. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  18:25, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

HF
Will look at this one once I get through a review that's already on my reviewing list. Might claim for 5 points in the WikiCup. Hog Farm Talk 02:30, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Sorry this took so long to get to, I had some stuff come up.

I've got to take a pause here, ready for Tehlirian's testimony. Hog Farm Talk 15:44, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Would it be useful to add a couple sentences about the background between the Ottomans and the Armenians, maybe drawing from a very shortened summary of Armenian Genocide?
 * I could, but I try to keep background short and am not sure of any specific information which would enhance reader understanding of this article topic.
 * "directly issued orders to generals in the Turkish war of independence from Berlin" - Would Turkish war of independence be a proper noun that should be capitalized?
 * It's not consistently capped in sources so I believe MOS:CAPS applies.
 * Harutian Mgrditichian is identified as Armenian in the lead, but not explicitly as such in the body.
 * removed. I don't believe the sources are clear on this because it's obviously an Armenian name.
 * "Ihrig and other historians have argued the prosector's strategy was deeply flawed," - Is this a typo for prosecutor, or is "prosector" a term in German law?
 * Typo
 * The prosecutor is always just referred to as "Gollnick", is this a surname with no introduction or a mononym?
 * His first name is not disclosed in the trial transcript or any of the sources.


 * "In the past, commemorative ceremonies were held to honor Talat at the Monument of Liberty, but this practice had been discontinued as of 2013" - Anything more recent for an update on this?
 * I couldn't find anything.
 * "Turkish writer Orhan Seyfi [tr] condemned the acquittal of Tehlirian but argued Germany made up for this by transporting his body to Turkey in 1943" - "his" in this formation would be read as referring to Tehlirian's body
 * Reworded
 * I'm unfamiliar with the Armenian and Turkish sources used, so I do not feel comfortable assessing them for a controversial topic.

That's my first read-through. Hog Farm Talk 17:25, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your review! (t &#183; c)  buidhe  21:51, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Hog Farm Was I able to address all your concerns? Thanks again for reviewing, (t &#183; c)  buidhe  21:11, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Support on WP:FACR #1a, 1b, 1c, 1d, 1e, 2a, 2b, 2c, and 4, did not check others. I have a rather cluttered watchlist and sometimes miss changes. Hog Farm Talk 21:31, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Reywas92
Thank you for writing this, that was a fascinating history to read. Reywas92Talk 04:43, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Why does this use "Talat Pasha" while the biographical article is "Talaat Pasha"? Can't tell why these would be inconsistent. And several quotations have "Talât" but the name could be translated/transliterated just as the rest of the sentence was. These should probably all have the same spelling, maybe with a footnote of alternatives.
 * "Talaat" spelling is historically more common, but the spellings with one "a" have become more common recently. I think they are all similar enough that it's sufficiently obvious that they all refer to the same person. As for quotes, Talat, Talât, and Talaat are all valid ways of spelling the name in English and I believe changing the spelling would go against the principle of minimal change in MOS. I believe all the quotes with Talat's name are from English language sources.
 * Hmm should I start an RM for Talaat Pasha? Still think closely related articles should be consistent. Reywas92Talk 00:34, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with . Per WP:CONSUB, the titles should match. Srnec (talk) 01:21, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * From a modern American perspective it seems odd that the jury only decided on "deliberate murder" and there was no charge or way to convict on a sort of second-degree murder or manslaughter. Is there any comment on this?
 * In the law in force at the time, there was a provision for non-premeditated homicide (§ 212 as opposed to § 211), but the possibility of charging Tehlirian under that provision was not mentioned during the trial. Sources don't discuss it either.
 * Reywas92 You're welcome, and thanks for your comments. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  06:52, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Coordinator note
Coming up to three weeks in and this has only attracted one general support and an image review. Unless there is clear evidence of a consensus to promote beginning to form over the next four or five days I am afraid that this nomination is liable to be archived. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:35, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Gog the Mild I don't suppose I can persuade you to review the article? It's a very interesting topic or so I've been told. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  16:07, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * You owe me! ;-) Gog the Mild (talk) 16:09, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I note the move request for the article but I don't think that should stop us closing this, especially as it seems far from a forgone conclusion that it will go ahead. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:44, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Support from Gog the Mild
Recusing to review.
 * "he served in the Armenian volunteer units". Delete "the".
 * I don't think it reads better that way and most sources use "the" here.
 * "Deciding to take revenge, he joined Operation Nemesis, a clandestine program carried out by the Dashnaktsutyun (the Armenian Revolutionary Federation), and was chosen for the mission to assassinate Talat after he killed Harutian Mgrditichian, who helped the Ottoman secret police, in Constantinople." An over long and complicated sentence, which has its chronological order backwards. In fact, could the whole paragraph be put in chronological order?
 * I had worded it this way because some sources are vague about whether Mgrditichian's death can be counted as part of the Nemesis operation, but now rephrased.
 * "The defense strategy in Tehlirian's trial, held 2–3 June 1921, was to". Optional: → 'Tehlirian's trial was held 2–3 June 1921, and the defense strategy was to ...'
 * Done
 * ""one of the most spectacular trials of the twentieth century"": quotes, opinions and attribution.
 * Done
 * "telling a dramatic and realistic, but untrue story". Comma after "untrue".
 * Done
 * "Tehlirian's acquittal brought mostly favorable reactions." Are we still talking about the international media? If so, maybe a semi colon?
 * Done
 * "to cause their deaths" seems a little stilted. 'with the intention of wiping them out' or something may flow better.
 * Done
 * "after learning about the Armenian massacres Talat ordered, CUP former finance minister Cavid Bey predicted he would be assassinated". Delete "Talat ordered"; "he" → 'Talat'.
 * done
 * "the war guilt question". Perhaps a very brief in line explanation of what this was.
 * Done
 * "The Foreign Office kept tabs on the goings-on at this apartment". Something more encyclopedic than "kept tabs"?
 * Done
 * "Turkish war of independence". Upper case initial letters.
 * Done
 * "the March 1920 Kapp Putsch". An in line explanation please.
 * Done
 * "viewed Turkey as the innocent and wronged party". "the" → 'an'.
 * Done
 * "comparing the Treaty of Versailles to the Treaty of Sèvres". Optional: reverse the order of the treaties.
 * Done
 * "mainly young men who either survived the genocide or lost their families". This seems to imply at least the possibility of volunteers who hadn't "survived the genocide"! And were the two mutually exclusive?
 * Tehlirian can't be described as a genocide survivor as he wasn't in Anatolia at the time. Similar to Jews who were in the US during World War II aren't called Holocaust survivors. No, not mutually exclusive so removed "either".
 * "where he assassinated Harutian Mgrditichian". Is it known when?
 * sources are contradictory. Hoffman says "March 1919". MacCurdy says it was 1920. From context it must be somewhere in that vicinity.
 * "Droshak". An in line explanation please.
 * Done
 * "At the Droshak headquarters in Geneva, he obtained a visa" A newspaper office seems an odd place to receive a visa.
 * That's what the source says: shortly after Tehlirian left for Europe, going first to Paris and then Geneva to the Troshag headquarters, an international ARF party center. There, with the help of party members, he obtained a visa to go to Berlin, under the guise of being a mechanical engineering student.
 * I read "There" as referring to Geneva, not Trosahg HQ.


 * "the commandos plotting assassinations". "Commandos"? At best this seems anachronistic.
 * Changed to "conspirators"
 * "Tehlirian continued to meet with the commandos plotting assassinations". "continued"; you haven't mentioned that they had started to.
 * Reworded
 * "At his trial, Tehlirian denied the assassination was premeditated". Maybe 'At his trial, Tehlirian was to deny the assassination was premeditated'?
 * I tend to err on the side of simple tenses, since complicated ones sound literary. I'm not convinced that this is necessary.
 * Dashnaktsutyun/Dashnak. Is there a reason why this is not standardised?
 * The former is the noun, the latter is the adjective form.
 * "his actions under German law of temporary insanity under section 51 of the penal code". There seems to be a definite article missing somewhere in there.
 * rephrased
 * "Historian Carolyn Dean writes that, "The cynical mission of the German government—to prosecute Tehlirian quickly while using the opportunity to redeem German conduct—inadvertently transformed Tehlirian into a symbol of human conscience tragically compelled to gun down a murderer for want of justice."" I think that this could usefully be paraphrased into Wikipedia's voice.
 * Partly done
 * "which revealed his knowledge of the genocide". The judge's or Tehlirian?
 * The former, clarified
 * The Expert witnesses section is more quotation than not. Separately, I really don't see what the block quote adds to the article.
 * Ditched
 * Could you go through the whole article and weed out some of the excessive quoting. Eg, at random, in Mental state, Ihrig's quotes.
 * Done
 * Lemberg/the judge: pick one.
 * I thought it was better to vary phrasing?
 * OK, in principle I like that; but in practice you introduce the judge as Lemberg at the start of the Trial section. refer to him six times as "judge", then make a single reference to him as Lemberg under Closing arguments, and revert to judge in Verdict. By the time I got to the single remention of him as Lemberg I had forgotten that was his name and had to do a Ctrl-F search, his role not being obvious from context.
 * Used "judge" consistently.


 * What does the block quote in Closing arguments add?
 * Removed
 * "A unanimous verdict, it left no possibility of appeal by the prosecution." Why not?
 * Source doesn't say
 * "Following his acquittal and deportation from Germany" → 'Following his acquittal Tehlirian was deported from Germany' or similar.
 * done
 * "where the editorial board of Hairenik honored him" How?
 * Source doesn't say.
 * "of many German newspapers on the same day". The same day as what? Maybe 'The assassination made the headlines of many German newspapers on the day it occurred'?
 * Done
 * "In 1922, the Kemalist government ... On 13 April 1924, the Kemalist government". Could the repetition be avoided?
 * Done
 * "At the request of the office of the prime minister of Turkey". When was this made?
 * Neither Olson, Kieser, or any other source I can find gives an exact date, although Olson implies that the request was made shortly before it happened.
 * "Talat's remains were disinterred and transported to Turkey". Is it known when this happened?
 * 25 February, a few days before the funeral. I did not think that the exact date was important enough to include.
 * The article is about the "Assassination of Talat Pasha". Talat's state funeral 22 years later is IMO not "stay[ing] focused on the main topic"; its effect on Turkey and, eg, mention of memorials on longer being held there seem waay off topic.
 * Really? I would think that "Death of X" articles include funeral in their scope. The transfer to Turkey would not have happened without the assassination in Germany. The JFK assassination article has disclosures of documents still ongoing several decades later.
 * OK, I trimmed this section somewhat. The funeral would meet WP:NEVENT so I think it's OK to summarize it here with the expectation that a full article could be written later. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  04:45, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I would agree, regarding Talat's first funeral. But his body's disinterment and reburial and the political effects of this in Turkey 22 years later, and even down to today, seemed, at a minimum, to be covered in excessive detail.


 * Do you really think that the popular culture section deserves to stay?
 * I mean, it's covered in the sources. I don't feel strongly about it, though, so I've axed it if you think that's better.
 * "Westphalian sovereignty". LOL. Seriously? I mean, I know about the three Westphalian treaties and have even visited the Osnabruck Rathaus but I doubt that one in a hundred readers will understand, even after clicking the link. How about 'then-extant concepts of national sovereignty' or something similar.
 * Done. I guess it tripped me up that national sovereignty redirects to Westphalian sovereignty :)
 * Ah! I did wonder.

That's it for a first rapid run through. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:16, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * "contrasted both cases from the later". "from" → 'with'.
 * Done
 * I am not sure that the last two sentences of the article add any encyclopedia-worthy content.
 * I think it's essential to include Kieser's take as he is the author of the only scholarly biography of Talat. I did move it to clarify how it's relevant.
 * There are plenty of images; William Tell seems pretty loosely connected to the article to merit a (fanciful) artist's impression.
 * Removed
 * Gog the Mild Thanks so much for your comments. I believe I've actioned everything. It took me a few days to go through and figure out what could be cut. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  04:45, 20 May 2021 (UTC)


 * A couple of comments above. If I haven't commented it means that I am content. I will reread the current version now. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:25, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Second reading
Erm, and that's all. Nice work. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:41, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * "in the Armenian volunteer units in the Russian army" Suggestion ' in the Armenian volunteer units of the Russian army'?
 * Done
 * "The fourth paragraph of Closing arguments seems unduly quote heavy.
 * Cut down
 * Re the visa, I still 'read "There" as referring to Geneva, not Trosahg HQ', but that is open to discussion so I won't let it stop me supporting this fine and important piece of work. Gog the Mild (talk) 10:03, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Reworded. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  10:45, 23 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Additional thought: shouldn't Kieser (2010) and Yenen have page ranges? Gog the Mild (talk) 10:07, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Added for Yenen, can't find Kieser. Thanks for your support! (t &#183; c)  buidhe  10:45, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * pp. 30-44 Gog the Mild (talk) 11:47, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Done (t &#183; c)  buidhe  11:49, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Support from Chipmunkdavis
I was impressed by this article when I did the DYK review, which included some source spotchecks. It would be a shame if it got archived, so I hope others will look at it. I will try to find the time for a more detailed review myself. Quick note that the Gyumri statue mention does not have a date, despite dates being given for the other locations. CMD (talk) 16:51, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I can't find a date for the Gyumri bust. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  23:24, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

I note this has three supports already, but some questions/comments:
 * Lead has great coverage of the article sections. A minor point, it is odd that "Ottoman court-martial" is a pipelink to a redirect, especially as in the body it pipes to the current article title.
 * Bypassed redirect
 * Background has "he ordered a second wave of massacres in 1916", but no timeframe has been established for the preceding massacre.
 * Mentioned World War I and 1915
 * It's not fully clear from the article why exactly Germany provided asylum to the CUP leaders. What made them so valuable that even the new German government would reject extradition?
 * The stated reason was that "Talaat has been loyal to us, and our country remains open to him." Added. To be honest, I don't really understand why this happened. It definitely seems to me that Germany had more to lose in terms of loss of reputation than anything it might gain from this arrangement.
 * Was the CUP plan to "organize a resistance movement" linked to the Turkish War of Independence? If not, how did Talat Pasha get involved?
 * Yes, this is discussed in Zürcher's book The Unionist Factor: The Role of the Committee of Union and Progress in the Turkish National Movement 1905-1926 . Talat wasn't that closely involved since he was forced into exile and soon sidelined by Kemal. Mentioned this connection.
 * "He wrote a memoir" should be "Talat wrote a memoir", as the preceding sentence is far-right Germans.
 * Done
 * "After it became clear that no one else would bring the perpetrators of the genocide to justice". This sentence seems quite wide and sweeping, especially as the preceding section noted Talat was wanted. Do the sources make such a claim, or is this the view of the Dashnaktsutyun?
 * It is a widely held view in all the reliable sources that I read that political will to prosecute and hold accountable the perpetrators of the Armenian genocide more or less evaporated by 1920. It's not just Armenian authors or the ARF that makes this claim. For example, the book Judgement at Istanbul states, "for a variety of reasons the legal establishment of the fact of the Armenian Genocide did not produce a measure of retributive justice that, in scope and severity, would be commensurate with the magnitude of the crime. Addressing this problem, an American author recently went so far as to declare that “[t]he Constantinople (Istanbul) war crimes trials, had they not fallen apart, would have been remembered as comparable only to Nuremberg and Tokyo.”9 Another author deplored the fact that “this first tentative step toward defining and punishing genocide failed because of Turkish nationalism and Allied indifference.”10 Going one step further, he and the noted legal scholar C.M. Bassiouni attributed the perpetration on a larger scale of many of the subsequent cases of state-organized mass murders to the relative abortiveness of the Turkish courts-martial."


 * "the Turkish nationalist movement invaded Armenia". This feels odd, due to the idea of a movement invading something. Is this how sources usually word this information? If so, perhaps it would be better if "Nationalist" and "Movement" were capitalized, as they seem to be in other articles.
 * Yes, the Turkish nationalist movement is named as the belligerent in the Turkish-Armenian war. "Turkish nationalist movement" is not consistently capitalized in reliable sources.
 * "At first Tehlirian stood over the corpse, but after onlookers shouted, forgot his instructions and ran away." Is this missing a "he"?
 * Added
 * "Invitations from Hayriye and the Oriental Club were sent, but the turnout was higher than expected." Why is this a "but" contradiction, surely invitations lead to turnout?
 * Reworded
 * The first paragraph of "Trial" is a bit jarring, as the opening few sentences just after the "Trial" header do not specify they take place outside of the trial, before "At his trial" appears.
 * Reworded. I do think it makes sense to keep content about the investigation in this section rather than starting a new top-level heading for it.
 * Does Gollnick have a first name?
 * Not stated in any of the sources or the trial transcript.
 * "German police looked for Tehlirian's associates but did not uncover them." This sentence was a bit surprising as it sounds from the preceding paragraph that Shahan Natalie was part of the trial defence team.
 * I believe Natalie was in the US at the time. Regardless, this insight comes from internal documents, disclosed decades later. None of the sources say that Natalie or the other Nemesis leaders took a public role in the trial.
 * "but the Foreign Office rejected this solution". How was the foreign office able to reject part of the judicial process?
 * Hofmann states that the Foreign Office maybe not rejected, but caused the closed trial to be rejected: "Gollnick did not prevail against the Foreign Office with his proposal to conduct the proceedings in camera. From the files, we deduce that personal contacts existed between the Chief Public Prosecutor’s office and the German Foreign Office, both before and after the trial."

WP:OR but the evidence that the DAZ Gollnick is the same Gollnick (based on checking the cited primary sources, none of them gives a first name) seems to be weak. They could also be different individuals, IMO. Best, CMD (talk) 15:13, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Can't access the relevant source page, but it seems odd that Gollnick potentially weakened his case in response to newspaper lobbying, and was rewarded by a post on that newspaper editorial board. Does Ihrig offer an explanation?
 * Ihrig states that it's also possible he was simply incompetent: "One might even go as far as to speculate that prosecutor Gollnick’s messy, uninspired, and apparently lackadaisical per for mance was perhaps, in turn, motivated by his disgust at Humann’s lobbying. Perhaps he indeed did not want Tehlirian to be convicted and secretly sided with the Armenian cause. Th at would have made his performance actually rather clever; if he did want Tehlirian to be convicted, on the other hand, it would just have been an abysmal performance, nothing more. Perhaps that is all that it was, because it appears that Gollnick was indeed rewarded by Humann, whom he served in the coming months as a member of his editorial board at the Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung."
 * "some leaders were arrested". Were these leaders part of the conscripted men from the previous sentence?
 * No, clarified
 * "the general deportation order was given and armed gendarmes forced the Armenians". I think this might be slightly more accessible to those without background knowledge if it was "a general deportation order" and "forced Armenians" (or "forced Armenians in the city" or similar).
 * Done
 * I don't fully understand the meaning of the quote "there had been changes in his resolve".
 * Ihrig states: "Again the judge intervened openly in favor of the defendant: when defense attorney Gordon asked him whether he had decided to kill Talât Pasha or whether the doubts about being able to kill a person had made him drop the idea, Judge Lemberg pointed out that “there had been changes in his resolve."" Not sure how I could clarify without going into WP:OR.
 * How did Terzibashian's story, which seems to focus on Enver Pasha, have strong bearing on this case regarding Talat Pasha?
 * Her testimony was an important part of the trial and is extensively discussed by both Dean and Ihrig.
 * "Talat's telegrams, not entered as evidence in the trial, were nevertheless". This "not entered as evidence in the trial" feels redundant; it is clear they are the ones discussed in the preceding paragraph.
 * Removed
 * Could the State funeral in Turkey section provide a timeframe for the remain request? It feels like it was quite a time jump from the trial and press coverage.
 * Neither Olson, Kieser, or any other source I can find gives an exact date, although Olson implies that the request was made shortly before it happened. (WP:OR: The earliest it could possibly have been was mid-1942 when Saraçoğlu went into office).
 * "Istanbul Military Museum in Istanbul". Don't think the "in Istanbul" is needed here.
 * Duh! Removed.
 * "It is commonly but incorrectly believed that Tehlirian survived the genocide by hiding under his mother's corpse." In the testimony Tehlirian stated it was his brother's corpse, is there a reason suggested that the myth switched to his mother?
 * Not stated in the source.
 * "Future Nuremberg trial prosecutor Robert Kempner, who attended the trial". "attended the trial" could be clarified given the last trial mentioned as Nuremberg, perhaps "the Tehlirian trial".
 * Done
 * Thanks so much for your review! (t &#183; c)  buidhe  04:26, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Most dealt with/answered, so just replying below:
 * The sentences "Natalie saw it as an opportunity to propagandize the Armenian cause.[92] He believed that Tehlirian would likely be convicted according to German law but hoped to secure a pardon." need some clarification based on above. The preceding sentence starts with "The defense strategy...", and the subsequent sentence starts with "Werthauer [the defence lawyer already mentioned above] was more optimistic". Later another sentence says "Their strategy was successful," so the positioning and wording implies to me that Natalie was there as part of the team and involved in crafting the defence strategy.
 * According to the sources, he was involved in crafting the defence strategy. MacCurdy states that he visited Berlin at least once, in March 1921, but it's not clear where he was during the trial. I don't think the article implies his physical presence. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  04:16, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * On "there had been changes in his resolve", I get a much better understanding from your explanation above including the "in favor of the defendant" than I get from the article. Could you put a [Tehlirian] after "his" in the quote? I initially read "his" as referring to the prosecutor. May be worth added that explicit explanation of the judge's intervention as well, but will leave that to your assessment.
 * Both done (t &#183; c)  buidhe  04:16, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I remain unsure about the statement "no one else would bring the perpetrators of the genocide to justice" in wikivoice, perhaps because of hesitation around the "Bring to justice" phrasing. However, if this is the only remaining issue, and no other reviewers see an issue, I will support. CMD (talk) 04:22, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I can see how that might read as loaded language, but something like initiate criminal proceedings wouldn't work because the problem was as much enforcing judgements as about trying the perpetrators. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  04:16, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * While welcoming further input into the above from other editors either way as part of normal article development, I support based on 1a, 1b, 1d, 1e, 2a, 2b, and 4. As I mentioned earlier I had done some spotchecks on the article while looking at it for DYK, so while a limited check, I would also support 1c and 1f based on those. CMD (talk) 09:51, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Tkbrett
I'll try to get to this in the next day or two.  Tkbrett  (✉) 00:44, 20 May 2021 (UTC)


 * "About one million Armenians were murdered." -> fix passive voicing; who murdered them?
 * This is the total deaths of Armenians during the genocide, rephrased.
 * link propaganda
 * pipe Fake passport
 * "an attempted coup d'état." -> "an attempted coup d'état of the German government"
 * Done
 * link Coup d'état
 * pipe Russian Army to Imperial Russian Army (I think?)
 * "Tehlirian attended these meetings even after Despite falling ill with typhoid in mid-December."
 * Fixed
 * "At the end of February, the conspirators located Talat." Is there any further information on how they located him?
 * Expanded on this (t &#183; c)  buidhe  23:45, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * "went to Talat's apartment at Hardenbergstrasse 4, where Ernst Jäckh, a Foreign Office official and pro-Turkish activist, who often met with Talat arrived at 11:30 a.m.": move the comma after 'activist' to being after 'Talat'.
 * Done
 * pipe Red Cross to International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement
 * link Anatolia
 * link Ankara
 * link imam
 * Kaiser should be capitalized, no?
 * And linked to the kaiser it is referring to, not the title. Gog the Mild (talk) 14:35, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Done (t &#183; c)  buidhe  23:45, 21 May 2021 (UTC)


 * pipe Islamic nations to Islam or somewhere else appropriate
 * "he refused to speak Turkish" -> pipe Turkish to Turkish language
 * "an Armenian interpreter" -> pipe Armenian to Armenian language
 * link editorial board
 * pipe gendarmes to Gendarmerie

As you can tell by the above, I don't have much to critique here. This page blew my socks off. Now that I have Ihrig's book on the way to my local bookstore, Harvard University Press really ought to being paying you a finder's fee. ;)  Tkbrett  (✉) 14:22, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Tkbrett, Thanks so much for your review and I'm glad that you liked the article. I have added all the links suggested. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  23:45, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Had a read over all the revisions and they look good to me. Happy to offer my Support.  Tkbrett  (✉) 00:44, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Source review
 * Date formatting on #201 doesn't match the others, cite formatting otherwise looks good
 * Several publishers are redlinked; I suspect that this is an artifact of their links to German Wikipedia articles. I generally don't see a need for links to publishers, but that's just me.
 * Date formatting in the Journal articles section is inconsistent
 * Some books are part of series. I suggest adding them and the volume # (if any) to the bibliographic information
 * Spotchecks of ISBNs and doi's all OK
 * Sources are highly reliable--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 15:08, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Corrected 1 and 3. I don't feel strongly about linking publishers, but some other editors do believe it should be done. I don't think adding series would be beneficial. None of the series is especially topically focused and it I've never seen it included when the books are cited in RS sources. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  17:18, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Support--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 18:27, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 11:44, 10 June 2021 (UTC)