Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Audioslave


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The article was promoted 01:38, 29 September 2007.

Audioslave
I've worked on improving the article in my free time during summer; I've completely rewritten it, added more useful sections, reliable references to everything dat can be challenged, added images with fair use rationale, and sound samples with fair use rationale. I think it is comprehensive, accurate, and - I hope - neutral. The biggest problem is grammar, I guess, as English is not my first language. It is also currently undergoing a peer review. Gocsa 11:01, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Looking pretty good. I just gave it a copy edit, per WP:WIAFA here are some thoughts: I'd say it easily complies with 1b-e.  If it's not already at 1a it's very close.  Probably some awkward sentences I missed.  I'm still learning the mammoth MOS, but the lead section is good.  The article is quite well-cited.  I was a bit wary of some of the citations to the Audioslave Fan Forum, and it appears that some of those are repostings of articles from other magazines (ZeroMag or Guitar World).  From what I understand, Wikipedia has no policy on convenience links (just this essay Convenience links), but we definitely can't use those links if the forum is posting copyrighted material without permission.  I haven't look at images yet.  The article is probably a bit long.  Perhaps a lot of the information on each album could be moved to the page on that respective album? --JayHenry 00:26, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, the Audioslave Fan Forum links are OK, I think, one of them is an article written by a member of the Audioslave Fan Forum itself, with her permission (the 'Audioslave: Pushing Forward Back'), the other is just a short news article, and there is a concert review written by another member. The only copyrighted material was the 2003 Total Guitar magazine interview with Tom Morello, and I've changed that reference. Gocsa 10:27, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks for addressing that. All the images are freely-licensed or have detail fair use rationales.  I'm not convinced, however, by the rationale at Image:AudioslaveMorelloAxisofJustice.jpg &mdash; an image of Morello and some volunteers at an information tent.  This image is easily replaceable, as Morello still actively does this.  I would suggest just removing this image, the article will not suffer.  My biggest concern is now the length.   Would it be possible to move some of the recording information about each album into the article for that respective album?  I'd be happy to help with this, if you'd like.  I think following the suggestions at Summary style, we can get this to a more manageable length. --JayHenry 18:06, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You're right about the image, but still, it'd be nice to use it in the article, so I've sent an e-mail to a webmaster, requesting the use of the image, I hope I'll get an answer, and the right one. I kinda knew that the article turned out to be long in the end, but I really didn't know, and still don't know what to delete, so I'd be glad if you could do that. Just weed out every irrelevant information, you can move them to the album pages, if you will, and you can delete/move other things too. Thank you for your help in advance. I really appreciate it. Gocsa 18:35, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I haven't forgotten, but I ended up spending more time than expected at RFA this week, and haven't had a chance to make these edits! I promise I will finish shortening this tomorrow.  After shortening a bit, I think I'll be prepared to support this FAC.  If we could leave this open just a few more days, I think we can address whatever needs to be addressed.   Apologies again for the delay on my end! --JayHenry 05:14, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Support I've been pretty worthless trying to shorten. Not as much to merge as I thought. I ran it through a word counter and the body text is actually only about 15% bigger than Smashing Pumpkins now, so I'm comfortable that the length isn't out of control, and that was my only significant concern to begin with. --JayHenry 06:11, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The infobox logo isn't permitted under fair use, as it's not criticised in the article. Also, it makes sense to make the band's name in the infobox as easy to read as possible. Otherwise, I'll give it a copyedit as part of prose review. CloudNine 09:21, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok, I got rid of the logo. Gocsa 09:58, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment I'm not sure if is a reliable source. Although, the statement it verifies doesn't seem too controversial. Epbr123 19:41, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's that bad, it certanly does the job. Gocsa 21:02, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Support Good job KoMuNeRo MaG 16:02, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Issues
 * Some very long sentences. Take this one at the top, which I had to read three times to disentangle:
 * "Although during the early stages of their career the band was often described as an amalgamation of two bands, Rage Against the Machine and Soundgarden,[1] or Rage Against the Machine's fractured parts fronted by a different vocalist,[2][3] by the time of the release of the second album, Out of Exile, most critics agreed that Audioslave was more than just the sum of its parts[4][5] and members were getting closer to finding their identity as a cohesive band.[6][7][8]". Search through for others that would be easier split by a period or a semicolon.


 * ✅ I've created two sentences out of this, I'm currently searching for other sentences that are too long. Gocsa 10:42, 16 September 2007 (UTC) I guess I haven't found more. Gocsa 14:51, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Use "with" as a clause connection only in desperation. Here's an example of two "withs" that perform different functions, causing a hiccup for the reader:
 * "As the three were busy with reunion performances and with Morello and Cornell both releasing solo albums in 2007, Audioslave was officially disbanded."

Tony 02:20, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅ I've corrected it, hope it's OK now. Gocsa 09:49, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * MOS breach: Captions for the first and last images are not proper sentences, so remove the final period.
 * I don't really understand, which ones are not proper sentences? Gocsa 09:35, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * MOS breach: use logical punctuation ("... recording."); there are other examples, too.
 * ✅ I changed all to logical punctuation. Gocsa 09:35, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment. I've taken a second look at the article (actually, printed it out and looked through it), and I've come across several issues:


 * Support impressive level of detail and reference - perhaps too much, as the article is 90kb long, but I can't think of anything superfluous in the article right now. igordebraga ≠ 22:39, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Support per the above addressed comments. A really well-written, comprehensive article; I look forward to seeing more articles from you! CloudNine 07:58, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, I'd like to thank your tireless help here, I really appreciate it. You can ask for help from me any time you want in the future. Thank you! Gocsa 10:26, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.