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 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 03:08, 21 February 2009.

Backlash (2006)

 * Nominator(s):  TJ   Spyke     Save   Us.  Y2J  

Myself and Y2J are nominating this article for featured article because it has passed as a GA, is well sourced, written in a way that even non-wrestling fans can easily understand everything in it, and is neutral/stable. The article has been peer reviewed before and there are no problems with stability or edit warring.  TJ   Spyke   01:46, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

 Oppose from  - not up to the standards of WP:WIAFA and sister FA's, ie. Mainly WP:PLOT issues.
 * Lead
 * Wow, this article is based on the old guidelines for pay-per-view events, which is generally not favored at FAC; I'm going to break this down into section by section (except for the matches), in order to help it meet FA standards. A copyedit would have been nice before the
 * Backlash (2006) was a professional wrestling pay-per-view (PPV) event produced by World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE). It took place on April 30, 2006 at the Rupp Arena in Lexington, Kentucky. - make it into on sentence, like it is in the other FACs.
 * Seven professional wrestling matches were scheduled on the event's card, which featured a supercard, a scheduling of more than one main event. - this would be better worded as "Seven professional wrestling matches were scheduled on the event's card, which featured a scheduling of more than one main event." [with supercard pipelinked accordingly]
 * A word is missing in this statement. In addition, I said pipelink supercard with the words accordingly.-- TRU CO   503  01:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The first of these main events was a Triple Threat match, a standard wrestling match involving three wrestlers for the WWE Championship, which saw John Cena defeat challengers Triple H, and Edge to retain his title. - 1)Remove the explanation of the match type, it clutters the lead 2)Remove the comma between Triple H and Edge
 * The other main event featured Shawn Michaels and "God" versus Vince and Shane McMahon, which Vince and Shane won following interference from the Spirit Squad. - 1)Remove why the McMahon's won, its too much detailing in the lead=cluttering 2)Add the match type.
 * One of the featured matches on the undercard was a Title versus Briefcase match between Rob Van Dam (the Money in the Bank holder) and Shelton Benjamin (the Intercontinental Champion). - 1)"featured" is to be avoided, instead use a statement like it is in Lockdown (2008) or Over the Edge (1999) leads to explain how this match received more promotion (which is stating the same thing as "featured", though per previous FACs, it should be avoided. 2)The "Title versus Briefcase" should be in quotations because its a nickname for the match 3)State the actual match type 3)add "briefcase" in between holder 4)add the WWE acronym before the name of the championship
 * Part of this isn't resolved either.-- TRU CO   503  01:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe I have taken care of all 4 now.  TJ   Spyke   02:29, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The lead should have a summary of the other matches on the card, like it is in Over the Edge (1999)
 * This is not resolved.-- TRU CO   503  01:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Huh? The Over the Edge article briefly mention a few of the matches (not all) and only who won. Same thing here, a few of the major matches and who won. No difference.  TJ   Spyke   02:29, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Background
 * The introduction about professional wrestling should be revamped and sourced how it is in WrestleMania XXV, though with the necessary changes being made accordingly (ie. tenses/brands)-- TRU  CO   02:22, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Reply. Took care of point 1, I think point 2, point 3, I think point 4 (one of your cited examples, Lockdown, also uses "Featured match"). I also did the first background point.  TJ   Spyke   02:48, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * You have the rating from Slam Sports wrong. They didn't give the event a rating. The 7.5 after the main event is rating the main event. So that sentence should be removed.-- Will C  07:17, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Why was this removed? Its substantial in the DVD part of the lead.-- TRU CO   503  01:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * As Will pointed out, that was only the rating for the main event. Should the rating for 1 match really be included in the lead?  TJ   Spyke   02:32, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't review this article in detail at the moment which is why I striked my Oppose to avoid conflicts with the nomination. -- <  TRU CO  >   5 0 3 23:02, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Comments -
 * What makes the following reliable sources?
 * http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/
 * http://www.pwwew.net/
 * http://www.lordsofpain.net/
 * Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:27, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Comments -
 * Poster needs to state the copyright holder (World Wrestling Entertainment).
 * Three of the other four photos, with the exception of Cena, need periods since they are full sentences.
 * "It was the 8th event under the Backlash name...". Change 8th to eighth; numbers under 10 are usually spelled out.
 * $4.3 million needs a non-breaking space, like the one I used here; hit the edit button to see how this is done. Check for this elsewhere in the article.
 * Background: Triple H could use real name in italics, like the other wrestlers.
 * Link the WrestleMania event in question earlier in the section.  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 20:16, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It is generally agreed at WP:PW that Triple H is notable enough to not need his real name though.  TJ   Spyke   22:00, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I disagree. He has won World Titles under two different names. Hunter and Triple H.-- Will C  22:18, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Uh, no he hasn't. He became Triple H in 1997, a full 2 years BEFORE he won his first world title. I think it was around September 1997, at the October 1997 PPV (Badd Blood: In Your House) he is announced as "Triple H". After that, they only referred to him as "Hunter" the same way Batista is sometimes called "Dave".  TJ   Spyke   22:25, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * If you pay attention to PPV results around the time he won his first world title, he is called Hunter without Triple H even being a remote name. That was more of a nickname at the time.-- Will C  05:06, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * They begin to refer to him as Triple H at least in 1998, occasionally billing him as HHH on that lower third graphic on Raw. Also in this article written the day he won the championship (albeit about the night before) he is referred to as Triple H as well as Hunter as does the offical card, and I don't know for sure but I don't think they're revisionary with cards. Tony2Times (talk) 15:26, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed, Triple H began using that name in 1997, and won all his World Championship reigns since then under that name (12 years now), so IMO its a pretty WP:COMMONNAME. In addition, he was credited in Blade Trinity under that name.-- TRU CO   503  15:44, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Since no one is really getting involved here, I'll offer some specific prose suggestions.
 * Lead: "The event received 273,000 pay-per-view buys, which was more buys than the previous year's event." The second "buys" is a redundancy and can safely be removed.
 * Background: "Backlash featured professional wrestling matches that involve different wrestlers..." Change "involve" to "involved", to signify past tense.
 * The Manual of Style advises against unspaced em dashes. Either remove the spaces or turn it into an en dash, which can be unspaced. Not confusing at all, is it? :-)
 * Don't need two WWE Raw links in one section.
 * "stating that Triple H lost of opportunity when he lost to Cena at Wrestlemania." Capitalize the m in WrestleMania, and try to get rid of one "lost".
 * "Cena forcing Edge to submit to the STFU,[9]," Double comma here.
 * "when Mr. McMahon made note of Bret Hart's DVD". This should state that Mr. McMahon was a nickname of Vince at the time. Otherwise, it's very confusing for non-wrestling fans. FAs must strive to be accessible for all.
 * Link the 1997 Survivor Series.
 * "when he eliminated Michaels from the Rumble match, though Shane was not an official participant in the match." "match" is used twice here; I'm noticing a lot of redundancies in general. To fix this one, I'd remove the last three words, or change the last word to "contest".
 * Remove comma after Sweet Chin Music."
 * Sorry, but I have to oppose this article for now. In addition to prose issues throughout the part I looked at, I don't think this is very accessible to readers who aren't wrestling fans. None of the moves are explained at all, and the article feels full of jargon. Usually I'm terrible at spotting jargon, but here it sticks out like a sore thumb. The moves aren't even all linked. Things like No Holds Barred match and the Sharpshooter should be linked, so we can at least know what the heck they are. I recommend finding an uninvolved editor or two to help make improvements.  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 16:42, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Giant, I think i've taken care of all your concerns.  TJ   Spyke   23:00, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The jargon has been explained, both in my examples and elsewhere. Still concerned about the writing throughout, however. A quick example is "a title can only change hands via pinfall or submission therefore Mickie retained the Championship." A comma or semi-colon is needed before thereafter. Another instance is "Big Show who seemed to have enough, hit Kane with a folding chair and walked away." Comma after Big Show, but is "seemed to have enough" a sufficiently encyclopedic way to phrase this? I really don't think so. Again, I recommend seeking outside help. I know wrestling articles struggle to attract copy-editors, but surely someone can be found who is willing to help. I'll even pitch in some basic fixes, but I'm not a heavy-duty copy-editor.  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 21:00, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Image review as follows:
 * File:WWEbacklash06.jpg needs to be reduced in size; seeing Triple's H sweat is not neccessary. 276 x 362 should be more than sufficient.
 * File:Hbk.JPG raises suspicions as a "free" image. The only description in French is "Shawn during Raw" and the uploader's only other contribution, File:Shawnmichaels.JPG ("Shawn Michaels during Raw"), is of different quality.  Our FAs should not feature pictures of such dubious status.
 * Edge's, Cena's, and Triple H's photos are verifiably "free". Jappalang (talk) 03:28, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Poster reduced in size (a little bigger than what you said, but should still be small enough), HBK image replaced with one that is much better rationale.  TJ   Spyke   05:37, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The replacement, File:Shawn-Michaels-on-RAW-08.jpg, is fine. The cover image has been reduced and acceptable.  All issues resolved.  Jappalang (talk) 09:09, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I was just wondering, who removed all of my stuff, I had the links, and I explained what the matches and moves were, so-non wrestling fans can understand what they are, so again, who removed all of that?  Save   Us.  Y2J  7:29, 15 February 2009
 * Check the history of the article.-- <  TRU CO  >   5 0 3 20:54, 14 February 2009 (UTC)


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