Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Banksia oblongifolia/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by GrahamColm 09:40, 12 May 2012.

Banksia oblongifolia

 * Nominator(s): Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:40, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because it got a very thorough review at GAN by and...it just came together nicely I reckon. It's the twentieth banksia article nominated here to date and I reckon it's the equal of the others. Have at it. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:40, 21 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Note: This is a WikiCup nomination. The following nominators are WikiCup participants: Casliber. To the nominator: if you do not intend to submit this article at the WikiCup, feel free to remove this notice. UcuchaBot (talk) 00:01, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Source review - spotchecks not done. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:31, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Check for minor inconsistencies like doubled periods
 * Don't italicize editions
 * Be consistent in whether to abbreviate UK or not. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:31, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * got 'em....I'll manage to get them all done preemptively one of these FA noms.... Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:24, 27 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Comments. Nice work on this one. Some general comments follow that should be addressed before this is ready.
 * Should the label at the top of the taxobox be capitalized? Looks strange as-is.
 * done Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:11, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Image captions are not capitalized either. See WP:CAPTION
 * capitalised Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:11, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * "New leaves and branchlets are covered with a rusty fur. The leaves lose their hair..." Are "fur" and "hair" interchangeable as technical terms? I know fur and hair are two different things on animals.
 * I've seen them used interchangeably, but have aligned them now to minimise confusion. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:11, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Your strategy for providing and not providing imperial conversions of units is unclear to me.
 * aah, I missed some - I don't generally do ones that are tiny mm ones Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:29, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The first para of "Distribution and habitat": Can we recast at least one of sentences beginning with "It is also found..."
 * done Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:11, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Sentence fragment: "In damp areas with poor drainage, along the edges of swamps and flats, as well as Wallum shrubland, or coastal plateaux."
 * attached to previous with an mdash (could use a colon here too I guess) Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:18, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * "Here Banksia oblongifolia is an understory plant in low open woodland, with scribbly gum, narrow-leaved apple and old man banksia (Banksia serrata) as canopy trees..." In its article, "Old Man Banksia" is capitalized.
 * shouldn't be. fixed that article. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:18, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * "The woody infructescences also release seed as their follicles are opened with heat" Seed or seeds?
 * was thinking of seed here as a collective noun, but realise this introduces ambiguity, so fixed Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:18, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * "Other seed predators include unidentified species of moth" Unidentified why? Do you mean the source didn't identify them, or no one actually knows what they are?
 * the latter Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:18, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The last few sentences of "Cultivation" are choppy. Consider combining some of them for a more cohesive read. -- Laser brain  (talk)  15:56, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * combined a few - is it enough? Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:29, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Image review - all photographs taken by Casliber, map self-made by Cas to CSIRO data so everything should be fine. Iridia (talk) 23:29, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Support I trust you will add that last source if you can get a hold of it, and if it's even necessary. The article meets FA criteria. Sasata (talk) 17:24, 6 May 2012 (UTC) Comments by Sasata (talk) 07:20, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support. My comments have been addressed. -- Laser brain  (talk)  05:28, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I made many copyedits and added several links, please check
 * yes, they look in order. Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:08, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * lead seems a bit thin for an article this size
 * I'll see what I can add . expanded Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:08, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * "…and the old grey spikes are keep their flower parts." ?
 * reworded Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:26, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * missing some unit conversions in subsection "Variation"
 * added imperial units. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:26, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * "It is also found in open forest or woodland" I thought these terms were synonymous?
 * yet another article we need! Australian botanists have defined them differently, to do with the percentage of canopy cover (i.e. woodland more open than open forest, which is more open than forest). I had a great book on eucalypts which discussed this which I've had to return. I will try to fetch it again tomorrow and see what I can do. However, these might be Australian-only definitions.... Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:08, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * journal article titles are not consistently title or sentence case
 * done Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:24, 3 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Coverage looks pretty good to me, but how about the following article?
 * Title: The relative fertilities of Banksia robur, B. oblongifolia and their putative hybrid in southeast Queensland
 * Author(s): Clifford H. T.
 * Source: Proceedings of the Royal Society of Queensland Volume: 103   Issue: 0   Pages: 13-16   Published: 1993
 * frustratingly I can't get that one digitally. I might be able to get to a hard copy of it today as it happens. From what I can make out, it is more about reduced seed fertility of robur and mentions hybridising (which I've covered overall) - will see if I can get it today. Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:05, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Support (although I've looked only at the surface language)—Cas, I'm here after Laser Brain mentioned this one on the FAC talk page. It's up to your usual excellent standards: a good read. I note especially that at least one of the pics is your own! A few points:
 * One photo?! They are all mine - traipsing round the bush...picked up a leech for my troubles a coupla weeks ago.... Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:04, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Can the "also" go from the end of the first para? (Could actually be ambiguous in relation to the foregoing.)
 * done Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:04, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * "Measuring 5–11 cm (2–4.4 in) in length and 1.5–2 cm (0.6–0.8 in) wide"—could you harmonise the grammar? "in width", or maybe "long ... wide" for neatness?
 * done Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:04, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Possible comma after "reddish-brown"; not sure.
 * tricky one that....preferring by a smidgen to leave it out but no strong feelings against putting one in. Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:04, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * "between January–October"—Pretty sure MoS says to use "and" when there's "between before it; as opposed to "the January–October period". Minor point. The parenthetical is fine as a dash, but you may want to harmonise with the "to" for easy reading. And sorry to be a dash-nerd, but "5 to 15 cm (2–6 in)" -> "5–15 cm (2–6 in)" and "0.5–1.3 m high" and "6–14 cm high" below. It's range-rich and the dashes cut back the clutter. These comments follow major style guides in English, as well as MoS.
 * agreed on de-dashing the monthranges and done. think I got all the other dash additions...(?) Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:04, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Any chance the opening para of "Description" could be split? Hard for me to tell the flow of theme as a non-expert.
 * split so first part is habit, branches and foliage and second is flowering/fruiting. Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:04, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * "Banksia oblongifolia can be distinguished from B. robur, which it often co-occurs with, by its smaller leaves and bare fruiting spikes. B. robur has more metallic green flower spikes, and often grows in wetter areas within the same region." I'm a bit confused about the confluence of "which it often co-occurs with" and "often grows in wetter areas within the same region".
 * the two species often grow together, and you'll find them only metres apart with the robur in the soggier swampier areas. I'll think on this one. Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:04, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * "the description could have fit juvenile leaves of B. paludosa, B. integrifolia or even B. marginata as well."—Should it be "fitted"? You might even consider "could have been applied to". Needs you to decide on that. Do you need "as well"?
 * yes "applied" is nicer ("fit" maybe a smidgen colloquial), and "as well" is redundant and flicked. Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:04, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * "have been publishing the results of their ongoing cladistic analyses"—maybe "have been publishing results of ongoing cladistic analyses", just to confirm that it is their own DNA analysis?
 * done Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:04, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Map: the green is pretty hard to see at thumbnail size (I wonder about the colour-blind too). Could it be red or some more distinctive colour against the grey background?
 * I'm being very fussy: "and that new buds grow within six months of after a fire"
 * really? yeah I suppose.....ok, done Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:04, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. It's lovely. Tony  (talk)  07:34, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * de nada Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:04, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Did you go into the bush with a lighter, under a leech with which to put? I believe salt does the trick too. Tony   (talk)  13:59, 3 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support meets FAC. -- Supernova Explosion   Talk  15:39, 3 May 2012 (UTC)


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