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 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 23:22, 31 July 2017.

Banksia serrata

 * Nominator(s): & Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 15:07, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

We have been buffing this article over the years. It got a detailed GA review and we think it is the equal of other banksia FAs. Let us know what to fix. cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 15:07, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Support Comments from Jim
Not much to say here just nit-picks and suggestions really Jimfbleak - talk to me?  09:40, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
 * "inflorescences"—Why quote marks here, and not in other Banksia article?
 * removed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:16, 21 July 2017 (UTC)


 * 1 and 3 millimetres (1⁄16 and 1⁄8 in) —one of my many objections to using fractions instead of decimals is that it leads to nonsense like this, where the maximum length is thrice the minimum in international units, but only double in Imperial. Do they shrink in the US?
 * removed fractions Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:07, 22 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Note that the plant may take several years to flower—lose "Note that"
 * removed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:16, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Images are appropriately licensed. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:18, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Changed to support above Jimfbleak - talk to me?  14:07, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Support Comments from JennyOz
Hi, I've used question marks here as my understanding might be off, especially re conversions and hyphenation. If so, please ignore.
 * "The coyledons are linear to" - cotyledons
 * fixed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:25, 25 July 2017 (UTC)


 * "grey bark up to 3 cm thick" - needs conversion?
 * added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:25, 25 July 2017 (UTC)


 * "styles" - wlink?
 * linked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:25, 25 July 2017 (UTC)


 * "Old flower spikes develop into "cones" that consist of up to thirty follicles that develop from the flowers that were pollinated, and old withered flower parts that give the cones a hairy appearance." - hard to read (esp with 3 x flower/s), maybe split into two sentences?
 * sentence split Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:25, 25 July 2017 (UTC)


 * "The obovate (egg-shaped) seed is..." - move (egg-shaped) to first use of obovate?
 * fixed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:25, 25 July 2017 (UTC)


 * "...and B. ornata as next closest relative." its next closest?
 * fixed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:25, 25 July 2017 (UTC)


 * "Kelgoola" - explain location or co-ords?
 * dammit, smallet most inclusive area is Central Tablelands...might make a stub somehow... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:25, 25 July 2017 (UTC)


 * "... are believed to be quite old." - put "quite old" in quotes as the lack of context comes from the ref?
 * fixed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:25, 25 July 2017 (UTC)


 * "dieback" - wlink?
 * the link is in the pathogen just further on. dieback is a disambig page leading to that anyway. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:31, 25 July 2017 (UTC)


 * "between 2 and 6 m high" - needs conversion?
 * added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:31, 25 July 2017 (UTC)


 * "...with stems with a DBH of under 1 cm..." (and following cm mentions) - need conversions?
 * added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:31, 25 July 2017 (UTC)


 * "free-draining seed raising mixture" - seed raising need hyphen?
 * added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:31, 25 July 2017 (UTC)


 * "well drained soil" - hyphen?
 * added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:31, 25 July 2017 (UTC)


 * "...in a well drained soil, preferably fairly sandy and a sunny aspect, with a pH from 5.5 to 7.5." - move the pH back before sunny aspect?
 * switched Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:31, 25 July 2017 (UTC)


 * "...originally from Green Cape area..." - the?
 * added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:31, 25 July 2017 (UTC)


 * "... selection from large flowered (spikes to 27 centimetres (11 in) high) and large leaved population..." - large flowered and/or large leaved need hyphens?
 * added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:31, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. JennyOz (talk) 15:23, 24 July 2017 (UTC) Happily signing for support. JennyOz (talk) 09:50, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Source review from Ealdgyth

 * I randomly googled three sentences and nothing showed up except mirrors. Earwig's tool shows no copyright violations.
 * Otherwise everything looks good. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:18, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * thx Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:46, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Comments Support from Adityavagarwal

 * Australia is linked, but according to WP:Overlinking, it should not be.
 * de-linked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:30, 29 July 2017 (UTC)


 * There are a few duplicate links here and there.
 * some de-linked, others not as we usually keep a link in both lead and body of article. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:30, 29 July 2017 (UTC)


 * European honeybees could be linked.
 * linked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:30, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Rest seems awesome. Very well written article! Adityavagarwal (talk) 17:45, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Comments from Vanamonde
Strong oppose because the community has had it up to here with Banksia Joking, of course. Very little wrong with the article after one read, just some minor quibbles. Oh, and I'm a Wikicup participant, which I think I'm supposed to say here. Vanamonde (talk) 16:50, 30 July 2017 (UTC)


 * I'd lose the "through" in " Queensland through to Victoria", but that's personal preference really.
 * I used the "through" as it is a distance of a few thousand km, but not essential and removed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:09, 30 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Link or explain "branchlets", perhaps?
 * linked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:16, 30 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Solander should not have an honorific, should he?
 * removed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:10, 30 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Maybe a mention of the fact that the naturalists were English, and the Endeavour was an English vessel.
 * added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:16, 30 July 2017 (UTC)


 * The name "red Banksia" is not in the lead, but the others are: why?
 * It's a name rarely used. I generally stick to names that have or have had some traction over time. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:09, 30 July 2017 (UTC)


 * "In 1891, German botanist Otto Kuntze challenged the generic name Banksia L.f., on the grounds that the name Banksia had previously been published in 1775 as Banksia J.R.Forst & G.Forst, referring to the genus now known as Pimelea." There's something missing in this sentence, I think...also, shouldn't the abbreviation "L.f." be explained in full the first time?
 * I added a footnote explaining the abbreviations. The sentence itself is grammatical. I guess I could replace "challenged" with "disputed". Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:09, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Are you sure? "Banksia had previously been published in 1775 as Banksia J.R.Forst & G.Forst, referring" I'm wondering if it should be "Banksia had previously been published in 1775 as Banksia by J.R.Forst & G.Forst, referring" Or maybe I'm just missing something.
 * these are botanical abbreviations (see Author citation (botany)), i.e. they are special suffixes. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:58, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, don't we usually put spaces between initials?
 * not in these suffixes Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:58, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Got it. It's a tad confusing, I'm sure you'll admit.


 * "Classic" in "classic monograph" not needed.
 * removed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:58, 31 July 2017 (UTC)


 * "from Wilsons Promontory (39°08′ S) in Victoria to the south" might be clearer as "in the south" Not incorrect, though, I think.
 * tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:58, 31 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Should "banksia jewel betel" be capitalized someplace?
 * errr....no...? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:58, 31 July 2017 (UTC)


 * "their tall habit makes them especially vulnerable." I know what is meant here by "tall habit" but wondering if the general reader does.
 * linked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:58, 31 July 2017 (UTC)


 * "from the parent plant by strong wind in an hour." Reads a bit funny. Maybe "from the parent plant in an hour by strong wind? Not critical, though.
 * tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:58, 31 July 2017 (UTC)


 * A photo of the wood or the seeds might be nice, but is totally optional.
 * we-ell, non seed photos (I might go and grab an old spike and toast it over the stove and get a couiple of seeds..but some nice photos showing off its knobbly trunk - see File:Banksia serrata trunk kirrawee email.jpg, File:Banksia serrata in INBG Glasnevin Dublin 04.jpg and File:Banksia serrata regrowth Kurnell orig.JPG (last one after bushfire showing regrowth) - which of those do you like? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:06, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd go with, because it shows the color off nicely, but the post-fire image may also be nice for the relevant section. Up to you.

That's all from me: nice work. Vanamonde (talk) 04:33, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

All my comments have been addressed, so support from me. Vanamonde (talk) 13:26, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 23:22, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
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