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Barry Sanders

 * Nominator(s): NSNW (talk) 23:49, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Barry Sanders is a former running back for the Detroit Lions American football franchise, playing mostly in the 1990s. This is a Level 5 Vital Article in Sports Figures, and I believe it is up to FA standards. I've been working on it off and on for about a year I think, and got it to GA status last June. After further improvements I'm ready to give it the test. This is also my first FA nomination, though I have nominated (and promoted) a FL candidate some time ago; so if there are moments where I don't exactly know what you are talking about then please be patient with me. NSNW (talk) 23:49, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

First-time nomination

 * Hi, just noting that as a first time nominator at FAC, this article will need to pass a source to text integrity spot check to be considered for promotion. Good luck with the nomination. Gog the Mild (talk) 14:54, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Image review
 * Captions need editing for grammar
 * Trimmed up the caption on the Jets logo image, that was the only one that looked like it needed editing.
 * File:Barry_Sanders_HOF_bust.jpg: what is the copyright status of the bust? Nikkimaria (talk) 23:10, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The image itself was under a CC License, but after taking a closer look at the Freedom of panorama in the United States jurisdiction, where the photo was taken, only buildings and architecture are non-copyrightable. I removed the image just to be safe. NSNW (talk) 17:35, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Comments

 * "Barry Sanders[1] (born July 16, 1968) is an American former professional football player" - can you find a way to reword this to allow use of the full term "American football" so that people don't think it refers to real association football? :-)
 * Fixed.
 * "where as a junior in 1988" - a junior what.....?
 * Rewritten to be 'college junior'
 * "Sanders unexpectedly retired from professional football after 1998" - "after 1998" could cover any date up to today
 * I rewrote that so that it's now 'in 1999' (he officially retired in the year 1999, by after 1998 I meant between the 1998 season and before the next season in 1999, but it's clearer now).
 * "The Lions retired Sander's " => "The Lions retired Sanders'"
 * Fixed.
 * "Sanders and two of his brothers worked as roofers assistants" => "Sanders and two of his brothers worked as roofer's assistants"
 * Done.
 * "Before this, he enjoyed playing biddy football" - what is "biddy football"? Is there an appropriate wikilink?
 * Changed it to youth football and wikilinked.
 * "sophomore year, but his brother Byron started before him in that position during Barry's junior year" - "sophomore year" and "junior year" mean nothing to me, are there appropriate wikilinks?
 * I redid the last part of the sentence and wikilinked both schooling years.
 * "the Sanders family had to "scrimp and save to get buy"" - the last word should be spelt "by". Is the spelling incorrect in the source or is this just a typo in the article?
 * It was a typo; fixed.
 * "Sanders did not become the starting running back until the fourth game of his senior year" - again, don't know what a "senior year" is, is there a link?
 * Linked.
 * "because of his short stature, Sanders received scholarship offers" => "because of his short stature Sanders received scholarship offers"
 * Removed the comma.
 * That's what I got as far as the end of "early life". Back for more later...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:47, 6 February 2023 (UTC)


 * "He was named a second-team All-American" - what does this mean?
 * Clarified as a 'College Football All-American' and linked.
 * "adding another 516 yards on special teams" - this is the second mention of "special teams". Move the wikilink to the first
 * Done.
 * "in just three-quarters of action" => "in just three quarters of action"
 * Done.
 * "Most consecutive games scoring two or more touchdowns: 13 (from Nov. 14, 1987, through 1988)" - write November in full
 * Done.
 * That's what I got as far as the end of the college section......... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:11, 6 February 2023 (UTC)


 * "Sanders, a junior," - again, a junior what?
 * Changed to 'Sanders, a college junior'.
 * "were given significant penalties for its violations" - there seems to be some plural/singular inconsistency here
 * I don't know if this fully fixes it but changed to 'their violations'.
 * "was impressed with his athletic ability after Sanders lifted 225 lbs (102 kg) for 21 reps" => "was impressed with Sanders' athletic ability after he lifted 225 lbs (102 kg) for 21 reps"
 * Done.
 * "During the game, the Lions installed a special phone line in one of the press boxes to monitor Christian Okoye who, at the time, was tied with Sanders for the league rushing title" - say who Okoye played for
 * Clarified. NSNW (talk) 23:08, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * That's what I got as far as 1991.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:56, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

More comments

 * "While rushing 39-yards for a touchdown" - pretty sure this should be "While rushing 39 yards for a touchdown"
 * Done.
 * "The 1995 season began against the Pittsburgh Steelers, Sanders recorded 21 rushing attempts for 108 yards." => "The 1995 season began against the Pittsburgh Steelers; Sanders recorded 21 rushing attempts for 108 yards."
 * Done.
 * "The Lions posted a 10–6 record and made the postseason with a wild card spot, where the Lions faced" => "The Lions posted a 10–6 record and made the postseason with a wild card spot, where they faced" (less reptitive)
 * Done.
 * "despite the victory being guaranteed by teammate Lomas Brown." - what does this mean? How did he guarantee it, given that it didn't happen?
 * He "guaranteed" before the game even started that his team would win, only for them to lose. It's in quotations now if that fixes it.
 * Don't think the Jets logo adds anything and seems to just be there for the sake of it.....
 * Removed.
 * "Sanders had a season that's" => "Sanders had a season that is" (no contractions)
 * Done.
 * "the Lions faced the Buccaneers, whom were playing" => "the Lions faced the Buccaneers, who were playing"
 * Done.
 * "Sanders would have surpassed the record if he hadn't retired early" => "Sanders would have surpassed the record if he had not retired early"
 * Done. NSNW (talk) 17:41, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * "NFL MVP and OPOTY" in little table) - you'll need to write MVP and OPTY out in full (with the abbreviations in brackets) as the abbreviations have not been used prior to this (either that or add the abbreviations earlier)
 * Added some abbreviations to earlier mentions.
 * I would suggest the stats table needs a key, as I for one have no idea what GS, FD, and possibly some others, mean
 * I added a kind of first draft on expanding the legend; I will improve it later.
 * " In commemoration of the 150th-year of college football" => " In commemoration of the 150th year of college football"
 * Done.
 * "Sanders' oldest son, J. Sanders" - this is not a standard way to refer to a person (nobody would refer to the early 21st century president as simply "W. Bush", for example). I think in this case you are going to have to write young Barry's name in full
 * Done.
 * "Sanders introduced ESPN's Monday Night Football game between the Chicago Bears and Lions on October 10, 2011" => "Sanders introduced ESPN's Monday Night Football game between the Chicago Bears and the Lions on October 10, 2011"
 * Done.
 * "the 1st player to appear" => "the first player to appear" - ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:51, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. NSNW (talk) 17:50, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * All of these have been responded to. NSNW (talk) 12:59, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

One more comment

 * Something I seemingly forgot to mention previously - per MOS:COLOR, you can't use just colour to highlight something in the table. You'll need to use a symbol too.... ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:39, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. NSNW (talk) 23:57, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:57, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Coordinator note
This has been open for more than three weeks and has yet to pick up a support. Unless it attracts considerable movement towards a consensus to promote over the next three or four days I am afraid that it will have to be archived. Gog the Mild (talk) 14:16, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
 * - apologies, I forgot all about this one, I'll check back in shortly -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:50, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but we're still only one support it, after about a month. This one has effectively stalled out, so I will be closing it. The normal two-week waiting period is waived here. Hog Farm Talk 02:14, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Hog Farm Talk 02:14, 4 March 2023 (UTC)