Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Benet Academy/archive2


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The article was not promoted by Laser brain 14:54, 7 February 2011.

Benet Academy

 * Nominator(s): Nasty Housecat (talk) 21:36, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

This article was nominated unsuccessfully in May 2010. Since then it has been revised extensively by Edge3, with particular attention to more robust sourcing, and generally copyedited by  Nasty Housecat. The issues identified previously have been addressed, good new material has been included, and it is ready for another review with thanks in advance to all reviewers. The primary contributor to this article, Benny the mascot, has not edited since the previous FAC and has not responded to several messages on their talk page. Benny should by all means be included as a co-nominator. Nasty Housecat (talk) 21:36, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Sources comments: At the last FAC the overreliance on primary sources was a major issue. There is much more use of secondary sources now. A few queries, however:-
 * Ref 47 has no publisher details
 * I have added "Chicago Tribune" as the publisher for this ref:
 * Ref 78 (and others): what is Lisle Patch?
 * It's a local news organization for the Village of Lisle.
 * Ref 79: Wheaton Patch?
 * It's a local news organization for the City of Wheaton.
 * Ref 83: What is Benet Connections? (This and ref 115 should presumably be formatted the same).
 * It's a quarterly magazine sent out to the families of all of the students. If I remember correctly, it might also be sent to faculty and alumni, but I could be mistaken! And I hope I've addressed your formatting concerns!!!
 * Ref 99: Publisher details missing
 * I've added the "Daily Herald" as the publisher for this ref:
 * Ref 111: Can you clarify what information this ref is supporting?
 * With all due respect, I have absolutely no idea what you're confused about. Reference 111 serves as a citation for the entire sentence. Do you think that reference 112 should be removed?
 * Ref 113: no publisher details
 * The citation template used here was a "cite web" and not "cite news" template; thus the lack of publisher details showing up:
 * Refs 117 and 118 seem a bit overcomplicated - why do Johnson and LeFevour need two citations to confirm they were at Benet? In any event, the second LeFevour cite is a dead link.
 * I've removed the citations that I didn't have access to for Johnson and LeFevour. As for the complexity of the citation, there is a discussion on Talk:Benet_Academy that might be able to aid your understanding of how we arrived at the current layout of the "Notable alumni" section.

Otherwise, refs and citations look Ok. A few spotchecks carried out revealed no problems. Brianboulton (talk) 00:19, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your comments... they are much appreciated! :) I have responded above. Edge3 (talk) 01:14, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Disambig/External Link check - no dabs- The three external links to the Chicogo Tribune are timing out, so make sure that those are fine and that it's just their website being temporarily down. There's also a few redirecting links, which you might want to correct- see the box in the upper right corner of this page for the tool to identify them. -- Pres N  22:00, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I remember the Tribunes website being down for maintenance the other day with a notice that it would be down until Sunday.  Imzadi  1979   → ' 08:26, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

The following is not a copyright concern, but a captioning question. File:Benet students 3.jpg describes the image as students in class, but I am not aware of any schools where students in normal class wear suits with ties (gentlemen) or dresses (ladies). Can we get confirmation that the caption is accurate? Stifle (talk) 14:11, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Here is an image copyright review by Stifle.
 * The PD claim on File:Aerial Benet 1984.jpg and File:Latin class at Benet Academy.jpg is implausible. It says it was taken from a book, but virtually no books published in recent history lack a copyright notice.
 * The copyright tag on File:Proco construction.jpg is wrong. If the image was first published in the US before 1923, then it is PD and should be tagged PD-1923; if not, a correct tag is needed.
 * Oppose pending the resolution of the above.
 * As far as I can tell, there is no copyright notice printed anywhere on that book. Furthermore, File:Proco construction.jpg was published not before 1923, but rather 1985, per the guidelines presented on WP:PD. As for the picture of the students, the students are indeed in class; the picture just happened to be taken on a day in which those students were required to wear formal wear. Edge3 (talk) 18:00, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you own or otherwise have access to a copy of the book, or are you just guessing? Stifle (talk) 16:24, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The book is available online, so you can check it yourself if you'd like. Edge3 (talk) 23:37, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Leaning oppose on prose. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:45, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review and the comments. I have addressed most of them below but will need to consult the sources on several of the other points. --Nasty Housecat (talk) 04:10, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * As do I... I should be able to retrieve the required books from the library tomorrow. Edge3 (talk) 23:44, 6 February 2011 (UTC)


 * "Rev. John Nepomucene Jaeger, the first Bohemian abbot in the United States, was urged to establish a Bohemian monastic community to teach at Bohemian parochial schools in their native language as well as English" - repetitive and awkward phrasing; this type of error is repeated in several other sentences
 * I've simplified it.--Nasty Housecat (talk) 04:10, 6 February 2011 (UTC)


 * "Lay students were trained to take their place in the business world" - given the wording of this and the previous sentence, it's not clear whether "their" refers to the lay students or the monastic students. If the former, suggest rewording for tone
 * I changed it to "for employment".--Nasty Housecat (talk) 04:10, 6 February 2011 (UTC)


 * "The abbey established St. Procopius College and Academy in 1887 as an all-boys high school that taught students of Czech and Slovak descent.[9][18] It became the first Czech institution of higher learning in the nation,[19] and in 1920 it remained the only Czech college" - first sentence implies that it's only a high school, second that it includes a college; which is correct?
 * In 1893 the college published its first catalog, which urged Czech parents to enroll their 13-year-old boys and described the academic curriculum, which included a preparatory year to teach elementary school subjects to remedial students" - length and repetitive phrasing; check for other overly long sentences
 * I broke it into two. --Nasty Housecat (talk) 04:10, 6 February 2011 (UTC)


 * "which charged more for non-Polish orphans" - the orphanage charged money for having orphans? You might need to explain this
 * "Ever increasing applications for admission proved the even the new addition inadequate"; "A girls' dormitory building was built in 1923 (later converted into classrooms and is now known as Benet Hall)"; "Between 1917 and 1930, enrollment fell from 205 college and high school students had fallen to 140" - grammar; re-read article for other grammar issues
 * I've made the corrections. --Nasty Housecat (talk) 04:10, 6 February 2011 (UTC)


 * "ghosts of orphans still haunt the building's fourth floor" - which building? The previous sentence only mentions the cemetery
 * I've specified Benet Hall. --Nasty Housecat (talk) 04:10, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm changing it to St. Joseph Hall. Edge3 (talk) 23:44, 6 February 2011 (UTC)


 * "college-preparatory programs" or "college preparatory programs"? Be consistent
 * They are consistent now. --Nasty Housecat (talk) 04:10, 6 February 2011 (UTC)


 * What's the difference between "accredited" and "certified"?
 * Accreditation required meeting the standards of a private organization that evaluates schools. Certification means legal recognition by state as an acceptable school. It may need to be clarified in the article. I am struggling for the right way to do that at the moment. --Nasty Housecat (talk) 04:10, 6 February 2011 (UTC)


 * "The $5 million building plan, included a new 1,800-seat gymnasium" - grammar
 * Corrected.--Nasty Housecat (talk) 04:10, 6 February 2011 (UTC)


 * "crowded rehearsal rooms on the top floor" - which building?
 * What's a "combination classroom"? What's the difference between a chemistry classroom and a chemistry lab, or between a chemistry and biology classroom?
 * I changed "combination" to "general purpose." --Nasty Housecat (talk) 04:10, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * "Combination" means that the classroom includes both desks and lab tables; the other classrooms at Benet do not include lab facilities. Edge3 (talk) 23:44, 6 February 2011 (UTC)


 * "22 Carnegie units of a college preparatory curriculum to graduate, including 4 units of English, 2 units of foreign language, 3 units of math, 1 unit of world history, 1 unit of US history, 3 units of lab science, 2.5 units of religion, 1.5 units of physical education, and 5 five units of electives" - check your math on that one
 * Ah. Indeed. --Nasty Housecat (talk) 04:10, 6 February 2011 (UTC)


 * "102-home game winning streak" or "102 home-game winning streak"? Check hyphen use throughout
 * Corrected.--Nasty Housecat (talk) 04:10, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

"fund raiser" or "fundraiser"?
 * I went with the latter.--Nasty Housecat (talk) 04:10, 6 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Academy of the Sacred Heart or Sacred Heart Academy?
 * You see both in the sources. I went with the latter for consistency. --Nasty Housecat (talk) 04:10, 6 February 2011 (UTC)


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