Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted 16:41, 26 March 2007.

Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
A self nomination, with a lot of work done by myself and Wehwalt and a peer review by Daniel Case. Article is well sourced and has passed GA a while ago. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 13:02, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose, some of the references don't state the publisher name and access date.--The Negotiator 13:51, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Done some work on the links to add source information. Don't know about access dates. Should I just use today if I can't find them? --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 14:52, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Certainly, because it only serves to help people who need to use the Wayback Machine when the site changes too much.--Rmky87 14:56, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Just went and added dates to all the ones I could find. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 15:29, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Still some things need fixing:
 * 1) Two citations still needed.
 * 2) Reference #37 is erroneous and needs fixing.
 * 3) Consider removing the myspace link as they are usually considered "uncyclopedic".
 * Image:Borat - Movie Soundtrack Cover.jpg should be sized down and a source is needed, "Rationale provided by Hahnchen" is also probably not needed in the rationale either.
 * Image:Borat DVD Cover.jpg needs source.
 * 1) Some of the references should be re-ordered so they count up in order.
 * Feel free to leave me a message again if you have done them all or have any questions.--The Negotiator 10:25, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Done some work with the citations. Hoepfully it will be acceptable now.
 * 2) For some odd reason the link still wouldn't work, so I had to arrange it differently.
 * 3) Will consider
 * 4) Sent a request to the uploader for the source, but he appears to have not edited since January. Will remove if nothing comes up in a few days.
 * 5) I've actually been thinking that one could be replaced with an image of the back of the DVD case, to better illustrate the text (Would such an image be considered a free image if it was a pic taken by a user, or would it have to be fair use?) In addition, it appears to be a promotional image that doesn't actually reflect how the final packaging looks. I'll remove it and put up an image request.
 * 6) Been working on that as well. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 13:11, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

The Plot synopsis concerns me the most. Some bit just don't sound right and could be better worded. Such as "He learns to his pleasure that his wife has been killed and resolves to go to California to 'have' Anderson's "vagine" and make her his wife, justifying the trip to Azamat by telling the skeptical producer that "Pearl Harbor is there (California) and so is Texas". A few WW like "beloved" and "In the midst of". Also it could discribe the plot in more detail, there is only a bref mention of the dinner party he attends and the driving lessons he takes. Buc 09:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Support Great article, well-done. Gunslinger 04:17, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Support Very good page, great job. Gran2 05:44, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Almost there just a few more ref needed.
 * Unfortunately, I don't remember what scene preceeded the naked fight, otherwise I would remove "In the midst of". I'll try to add some deatil without going on for too long. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 13:39, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I've reworded the plot summary sections that were of concern.--Wehwalt 10:46, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Overall this article is not on the same level as other film FAs; please take a look at the Star Wars articles for example.
 * The article has no Cast section which should be mandatory, I suppose.
 * Given the structure of the film, that might be a bit tricky. I suppose I could try writing the four "characters", and add a "minor characters" section for all the unwitting participats. --Lenin and McCarthy  |  (Complain here) 23:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Four characters with short summaries of each of these characters would be better than nothing I guess. Jaqu 00:31, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I borrowed a cast template from the Spaceballs article and used it, and adopted your suggestion of putting that image of Borat in Cologne alongside.--Wehwalt 10:13, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The text is not illustrated well. There should be at least two or three screen shots of key moments of the film. Other images of the production, promotion, etc. would be nice as well. I guess there might be free images of Borat at Flickr for example.
 * Images are not required for an article to be a FA. Buc 22:08, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * There are two images on Wikimedia Commons already that might work. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 23:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm aware that images are not required for an FA, but if a few more images could be easily provided via screen shots, I think it would be a good addition. Why not use this free image Image:Borat in Cologne.jpg, maybe for the cast section? Jaqu 00:31, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Some structural problems; chronological section order would be preferable (production, plot, release, response). Also, why are the deleted scenes in the production section?
 * V for Vendetta, Tenebrae and Halloween all go plot first, thought maybe deleted scenes should have another section. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 23:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Apparently there is no clear consensus on the general structure, but at least deleted scenes shouldn't be in "Production". Jaqu 00:31, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * "Allusions" lacks any kind of reference.
 * I'll look to see what I can find for it. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 23:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Would the IMDB's word be enough? --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 07:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * IMDb is gernerally not considered a reliable source. Jaqu 00:31, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I did find a college newspaper article (Cornell Sun) which discusses two of the allusions. I guess if that is not acceptable (I know college papers aren't the best sources) we may have to strike that section.--Wehwalt 01:42, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * What is the logic behind the ratings table? There are four different ratings for Canada, but many major oversee markets such as Japan, Germany, France, etc. are not even mentioned. Jaqu 21:39, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Went to check the IMDB, and they're saying France rated it "U", which from what I've read is the equivelant of "G". You know any other sources for ratings? --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 23:48, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Since all Canadian ratings are the same (14A), I would only mention it once, and at least include France and Germany via IMDb. Jaqu 00:31, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I was actually challenging the reliability of IMDB myself there, but I'll add them per not knowing where else to find them. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 08:26, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: Over the opening weekend Borat debuted to No. 1 on the, with a total gross of $26.4 million... Number 1 on the what? Andrew Levine 22:35, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * From what I can tell, the sentence said it was the weekend twice, but someone removed one redundant statement at the expense of making the sentence nonsensical. I've just fixed it. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 23:51, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Object Many of the fair use images are too large; in fact, the one in the infobox is larger than my wallpaper. Please shrink fair use images so that the longest side is no more than 400px and tag them with  .  ShadowHalo 00:53, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks good now. ShadowHalo 09:44, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, by the way, Borat! is a double redirect. Would you mind fixing that and checking to see if there are any others?  ShadowHalo 09:47, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comments When he learns, to his delight, that his wife has been killed by a bear, his course is plain- course is plain?
 * wikilink documentary, crockery
 * He meets gay pride parade participants, politicians (including Alan Keyes and Bob Barr) and African American youths playing Cee-lo. He is also interviewed on live television and proceeds to disrupt the weather report. He sings a fictional Kazahkstan national anthem to the tune of "The Star-Spangled Banner" at a rodeo, where his jingoistic pro-U.S. rhetoric excites the crowd. He rents a room from Jewish bed and breakfast owners, "escapes," and later attempts to purchase a handgun to defend himself against Jews. When told he cannot buy a gun because he is not an American citizen, he purchases a bear which he names after his dead wife. He then attends. Every sentence starts with he he did this, he did that, when he - makes bad prose
 * show him the infamous Pam and Tommy video - some readers might not know its a porno so make it clear (could add home movie after Tommy
 * merge this one sentence paragraph - In Israel, a proposed poster depicting Borat in swimwear was rejected by the film's advertising firm in favor of one showing him in his normal suit
 * released a statement external jump
 * Soundtrack section is a bit of a mess
 * If you're even going to use a picture of the cover of the DVD (seems pointless) at least get a good quality one without fingerprints all over it. M3tal H3ad 12:58, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article review. No further edits should be made to this page.