Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Bull Run River (Oregon)/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by SandyGeorgia 00:54, 16 August 2010.

Bull Run River (Oregon)

 * Nominator(s): Finetooth (talk) 23:31, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

This article is the sixth in a series of six about the major-minor streams of Portland, Oregon, in the United States. The other five, about small streams that flow through parts of the city, are already FA. This one is about the mountain stream that provides Portland's drinking water. Bull Run River is not to be confused with Virginia's Bull Run, the scene of American Civil War battles. Though less famous, Oregon's Bull Run is nonetheless remarkable. My thanks to User:Ruhrfisch for peer-reviewing the article. Finetooth (talk) 23:31, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Support by Ruhrfisch. In the interests of full disclosure, I am a member of the Rivers WikiProject and made the Oregon map a long time ago from Census sources. As noted I peer reviewed this and all of my minor quibbles have since been addressed. I also checked and the article has no dab links, all the external links are in order, and the alt text is fine (though not required here anymore, last I checked). The images and maps are all free, most by Finetooth, a few by the US government, and the remainder by other WIkipedia editors. Another fine article in an excellent series - have you thought of going for a Featured Topic on the "Watersheds in Portland, Oregon"? Well done, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:49, 28 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the kind words and support, for the dab check, links check, and image check. And, yes, featured topic is a goal, but I'd like to include the Columbia River article, which is FA, and the Willamette River, which is still a work in progress. Finetooth (talk) 02:19, 28 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:21, 28 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Ealdgyth. Good to have you back. Finetooth (talk) 16:33, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Support this article is another fine example of Finetooth's many outstanding articles. Dincher (talk) 22:54, 1 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the kind words and support. Finetooth (talk) 00:38, 2 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment—no dab links, but the external link to http://www.portlandonline.com/shared/cfm/image.cfm?id=148202 is dead. Ucucha 08:07, 8 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for catching this. The city moved the article to a new url on Friday. I have changed the link accordingly to this one. Finetooth (talk) 17:00, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Support: I missed the peer review, having made a note to do it. Looks like I could have almost missed the FAC too, but better late than never. The article is basically in fine shape, and little needs to be done. Here is a short list of nitpicks, and one surprised comment:-
 * "water supply" is two words, not hyphenated
 * De-hyphenated, thanks. Finetooth (talk) 20:25, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * "renamed" is one word, not hyphenated
 * Corrected. Finetooth (talk) 20:25, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Just a query: were stagecoaches really still in use up to 1911? I associate them with the time of Dick Turpin!
 * Yes. Taylor, my source, is unequivocal. She says, "At the turn of the century, most of the Sandy watershed remained a remote wilderness area and trails were the primary source of access to the upper basin. Thus, when the Mt. Hood Railway and Power Company began work on the Bull Run hydroelectric project in 1906, it had to develop road and then rail access to the site. Initially, it took three hours by stage to get to Bull Run from the electric interurban depot at Boring. The roads from Sandy to Bull Run, and from Bull Run to the Marmot Dam area had to be planked during periods of heavy rain to support traffic. Travel conditions improved in June 1911 when the railroad was completed, running 20 miles from Montavilla to the Bull Run powerhouse." I don't have another reliable source to back up Taylor, but nothing that I've read suggests that she's wrong. Excuse me while I look for my beaver hat. Finetooth (talk) 20:25, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * "The City sells electricity..." What city (Portland), and should "City" be capitalised? It would also be interesting to know who they sell it to.
 * I changed "City" to "Portland" and added a sentence to make clear the difference between Portland and Portland General Electric (PGE), which is a large private utility based in Portland but not owned by the city. Portland sells electricity to PGE, which has close to a million customers in the northern Willamette Valley. Thanks for catching this; the difference between Portland and Portland General Electric was unclear, and it must have seemed that the city was selling electricity to itself. I hope it makes better sense now. Finetooth (talk) 20:25, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I assume that the reason for raising the level of Bull Run Lake by 6 metres is to increase its capacity as a reservoir. It would be useful if this was confirmed in the text.
 * Yes. I have now revised this section to include the amount of increase and the percentage. This led me to add the combined usable storage capacity of the other two reservoirs as well. Finetooth (talk) 20:25, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Douglas-fir should be linked. It's two words in my English dictionary, but the linked article explains why the hyphen is used.
 * Duly linked. Finetooth (talk) 20:25, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I wonder if it is necessary to mention the $10 tour fee? It will change over time, and you or your descendents will have to keep changing the article. Just a thought.
 * No. You are right, and I've deleted it. The next generation will be grateful. Finetooth (talk) 20:25, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Brianboulton (talk) 15:29, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your kind words and support. Any other suggestions will be welcome. Finetooth (talk) 20:25, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


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