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Burnley F.C.

 * Nominator(s): WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:29, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

This article is about Burnley Football Club, an English football team currently playing in the Premier League. I'm looking to get this promoted to FA, as it currently is a GA, and I think it meets the criteria of a FA now. It would be great to have a second team in claret and blue receiving this status! WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:29, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Image review
 * Suggest scaling up the graph
 * Featured articles such as Aston Villa F.C., Cardiff City F.C., Gillingham F.C., and Luton Town F.C. all have charts with a two-year scale. They were all made by one user (the Burnley one also); "EclecticArkie". WA8MTWAYC (talk) 16:43, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, not talking about the graph data here, but rather the actual displayed size of the graph - upright can be used to make it appear larger. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:58, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 19:00, 31 May 2020 (UTC)


 * File:Burnley_FC_1890.png: when/where was this first published, and if the author is unknown how do we know they died over 70 years ago?
 * In the local newspaper (probably the Burnley Express) in 1890. They won the Lancashire Cup (the trophy that is in the picture), so probably at the end of April that year, as the final was held on 26 April. I'm not subscribed to a newspaper database or something of the sort, so it's quite hard to obtain more information. What do you suggest? WA8MTWAYC (talk) 16:43, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Is there any photographer credit in the source? If no, you may need to rely on a different tag for UK status. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:58, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * There is not, and also not in other similar photos I found. What tag do you suggest? WA8MTWAYC (talk) 19:00, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Done. Replaced the tag with "PD-UK-unknown". WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:29, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * As below, the UK-unknown tag requires the image description to include an explanation of efforts made to try to identify author. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:14, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 13:16, 3 June 2020 (UTC)


 * File:The_King_George_V_presents_the_FA_Cup_1914.jpg: source link is dead, as per the UK tag the description needs to include research done to try to determine authorship, and when/where was this first published?
 * Although the image is used by many websites on the web (including Liverpool F.C. and Burnley F.C.), the photographer is unknown. I assume the photo was published by multiple newspapers throughout the country the day after. It's frustrating to not find any information. What do you suggest? WA8MTWAYC (talk) 16:43, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Start by replacing the dead link - if it's used elsewhere that should be fairly straightforward. Next, see if you can confirm your assumption, and check whether the publications include any photographer credit. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:58, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Replaced the dead link. Searched on the web and in books, but found no photo details or credit. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 19:00, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 21:28, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * What was the earliest publication found? Nikkimaria (talk) 02:14, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * April 1914 (found no specific day). WA8MTWAYC (talk) 13:16, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Suggest specifying in the image description this earlier source. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:25, 14 June 2020 (UTC)


 * File:Burnley_F.C._1920-21.jpg: as above, UK tag requires description of research done on authorship. Same with File:Tommy_Boyle.JPG (which also has a deadlinked source), File:Jerry_Dawson.jpg
 * Does the link need to be replaced?
 * Yes please. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:58, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 19:00, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Featured articles Arsenal F.C. and Liverpool F.C. both contain pictures (File:Arsenal 1888 squad photo.jpg and File:John Houlding.jpg, respectively) with similar infoboxes. What's so different about these pictures?
 * All three pictures are property of the local newspapers, the names of the photographers/employees were not known, so what can I do? WA8MTWAYC (talk) 16:43, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * How do you know they are not known? Basically all we need here is a description on the image page of what steps you've taken to confirm that. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:58, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Used the Internet and books, but again no extra information. Boyle's picture was indeed taken during his spell at Barnsley, as it's their shirt he's wearing (Burnley's collar had a different colour than the shirt itself; this is a plain shirt). The original link is unfortunately dead, but Barnsley's main website also used the photo, and gave no credit or information. The 1920-21 and Dawson photos are both found in "The Clarets Chronicles", but no further information was given. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 19:00, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * How would that description look like? WA8MTWAYC (talk) 19:00, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 21:28, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Copy the description of your search efforts from here to there, to demonstrate that you've done reasonable due diligence in checking for author credit. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:14, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 13:16, 3 June 2020 (UTC)


 * File:Burnley_FC_League_Performance.svg: what are the sources for this data? Nikkimaria (talk) 23:02, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * EclecticArkie gets the league placings from a website called "Football Club History Database", a frequently cited site on English and Welsh football club pages, as it covers all information on league placings and cup runs.
 * Does it need to be included in the infobox of the graph? WA8MTWAYC (talk) 16:43, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * In the image description. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:58, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 19:00, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your comments. I've responded to it above. Image licencing is all new to me. Looking forward to the follow up. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 16:43, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, I have addressed your points. I hope it's alright now. If not, please let me know. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 21:28, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Coord note
Hi, I gather this would be your first FAC, in which case a belated welcome! This image review is vital but we need a good deal of comprehensive commentary on all aspects of the article to gain consensus for promotion, and with nothing else after two weeks it would be a considerable time before we get to that stage. So I'm going to archive this and suggest that you try a Peer Review to see if you can get some more commentary before another nom. Alternatively (or in addition) you'd be eligible to give the FAC mentoring scheme a go. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 06:31, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 06:32, 14 June 2020 (UTC)