Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Calgary Hitmen


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by User:SandyGeorgia 01:23, 8 June 2008.

Calgary Hitmen
After much work, I believe this article now passes all FA criteria. It is comprehensive, well cited, numerous complimentary images and remains focussed on the topic. Currently a GA, and I look forward to all feedback. Self-nom Resolute 15:59, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment: My understanding is that the official rendering of Hart's WWF persona was/is Bret "Hit Man" Hart (not Bret "The Hitman" Hart or Bret "Hitman" Hart). AreJay (talk) 21:52, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not certain of how he was portrayed in his WWF days, but he calls himself "Bret 'the Hitman' Hart" on his own website. I think I will take his word for it.  ;)  Resolute 22:50, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * What makes the following reliable sources.
 * http://www.hockeydb.com/index.html
 * For consistency, either italicise the newspapers or not, but right now they are sometimes italicised and sometimes not in the references
 * Sources look good. Links checked out okay. Ealdgyth - Talk 20:23, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hockeydb credits its sources: . I'll look into the consistency of the newspapers in the references.  I've likely mixed templates.  It will be corrected. Resolute 20:43, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * hm. It'd be better if they credited the sources on each page, so folks would be able to find the source for each piece of information (kinda like Wikipedia requiring inline cites now). I'll leave this one out for others to decide on, I'm on the fence. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:51, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've encountered few reliability problems with hockeydb, and in fact, it is linked to a great many hockey articles, including at least two FA's as sources. However, looking over where I used the link to hockeydb, I realize that it was redundant to another citation set where I used the WHL media guide to get the same information for other seasons.  I have replaced the hockeydb refs with the media guide ones to condense the references.  So this point is now moot.  ;) Resolute 21:49, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I've gone through the citations and resolved some inconsistencies with my usage of the work and publisher parameters. The only thing now italicized in the citations are book titles. Resolute 21:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I just fixed most of the italics in the citations. --D. Monack | talk 03:10, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That works too, heh. I just went the wrong way with the parameter.  Thanks! Resolute 03:30, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Support &mdash; Looks very good. No reason to deny FA status.  Maxim (talk)  21:29, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Comments Support (04:55, 5 June 2008 (UTC)) dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 10:00, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * "However, the name and logo also faced heavy criticism from segments of the public and the business community, with both being panned as negative stereotypes of violence in the sport." - would it read better without the also?
 * removed.
 * "with the surprise resignation of Graham James" - just refer to him using surname?
 * Check that throughout.
 * Changed up the statement you mentioned. There is one other spot where I use Graham James' full name after the first mention, but I believe that "...the spectre of the Graham James scandal..." reads better than "...the spectre of the James scandal..."
 * "18–51–3" - what do these numbers mean? Should say so at least once.
 * Hmmm. I guess being a sports fan, the record seems intuitive to me.  The season-by-season section also denotes that a record like 18–51–3 represents wins, losses and ties, respectively.  I changed the first mention to "...with a record of 18 wins, 51 losses and three ties...", though I am not certain that is any better, imo.
 * "however, as Calgary lost its second" - they're usually referred to as the Hitmen, be consistent.
 * Changed the wording of the quoted passage, as it just came off awkward on re-reading. I've interchanged the use of Calgary and the Hitmen throughout, mostly to avoid repeating "the Hitmen" numerous times in the same paragraph.  I've made some changes for better consistency, however.


 * Thanks! Resolute 16:51, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Support - All my concerns above were addressed, so this article gets a thumbs-up from me. Giants2008 (talk) 23:41, 31 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment "major junior"? While I guess I know what's meant--of the junior teams, presumably this is one of the more important ones--this phrase is not a good start. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 14:52, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Major-junior is actually the name of that level of hockey. -Djsasso (talk) 15:11, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Junior ice hockey in Canada is divided into several levels.  The top level is called "Major Junior".  After that is "Junior A", "Junior B" and "Junior C".  Resolute 15:17, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * OK. Perhaps it would be clearer if hyphenated and even capitalized, Major-Junior. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 15:28, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've capitalized it for clarity. Resolute 15:31, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Support, no further issues here. Oppose, 1a (prose) and 2a (lead). At the very least, the lead needs expanding and the text needs attention from a thorough copy-editor.  A lot of the problems could have been ironed out during a good peer review before bringing the article here.


 * Prose: ordinary, but hard to object to in an actionable way.
 * "narrowly edging the Kamloops Blazers for the regular season title"—"Edging out"?
 * Paragraphing a little choppy in places; e.g., "WHL championship".

But more importantly:
 * Why isn't this nominated for Featured List? There are three biggies in it that seem to take more space than the prose. TONY   (talk)  16:20, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Because it is an article that incorporates lists and charts. With all due respect, suggesting this should be considered a list rather than an article is silly. Corrected the "edging out" bit, however. Resolute 17:40, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Note; please see my edit summaries, corrections, and particularly in-line comment; I found something I couldn't decipher at all. Please fix.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 00:54, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I fixed that mistake... see my edit summary for an explanation.  Maxim (talk)  00:56, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, ha :-) (Why don't you just use a real endash (–) instead of an html endash (–)?  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 01:02, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know how to make one without copy-pastnig it from elsewher... is there some sort of alt shortcut, or something? :-)  Maxim (talk)  01:03, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It's in the box under your edit screen, first thing after the line that says insert, or you can use keystroke combos (see WP:DASH). Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 01:06, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've never noticed it in that field... now I know. Thanks! (I'll shut up now, you can feel free to promote the article...) ;-)  Maxim (talk)  01:09, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * ALT+0150 accomplishes the same function. Resolute 01:21, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
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