Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Calgary Stampede/archive1


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The article was promoted by SandyGeorgia 20:09, 28 August 2011.

Calgary Stampede

 * Nominator(s): Resolute 00:46, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Quite simply, the Stampede is Calgary. It defines this city's identity and history and is one of Canada's largest and most important festivals, and a party perhaps without equal in this country. It has drawn politicians, actors, dignitaries and British Royalty... and it has drawn criticism by animal welfare groups for its rodeo and use of animals. I have been slowly working on the article over a period of about two years, but with the centennial Stampede coming next year, I used this year's event to drive the final push in the hopes that it will be featured in time for next year's celebration. I open the floor in the hopes that you will agree. Resolute 00:46, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Forgot to note that I am a current WikiCup participant, so this is potentially a Cup nomination. Resolute 15:07, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Source review - spotchecks not done. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:08, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Generally titles of website pages don't need to be italicized
 * Not sure why, but your Foran and Reasons harvlinks aren't working
 * FN 137: page(s)?
 * Why include a location for Globe and Mail and not for National Post? Nikkimaria (talk) 05:08, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Points 2,3 and 4 addressed (I found a url for ref 137), but I am not sure how to address the first. The italicization of the website links seems to be the result of the  template's behaviour, and I don't see an alternative option.  Thanks again for the reviews, Resolute 15:32, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

 Comments Support - after seeing the progress made with my small comments, and others more significant ones. Image review
 * Love reading about the Stampede.
 * I have more to come, but just something to point out - in your section on Animal welfare (not my favourite, I must admit), mention of tie-down roping and not steer wrestling seems to ignore some modern incidents (and a bad year for the Stampede)(CBC Story from 2009). (The incident with the steer also inspired a rule change). A very fair presentation of the animal rights issues overall, though.
 * Also, unless I missed it in your sources, this Maclean's article (Link) also covers steer wrestling and rule changes to promote safety.
 * Kudos for including all aspects of the event, these links aren't meant to swell the section to undue weight, just to add in some of the more recent material. Canada Hky (talk) 03:00, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I worry a little about getting too far into the minutae of the issue, but that is an interesting MacLeans link. I will see about how to integrate it into the article, as it does offer some good info. Thanks, Resolute 23:12, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I second the concerns about going into too much depth here and a WP:UNDUE problem, as these issues are issues facing rodeo as a sport in general. The Stampede is sort of like the Kentucky Derby; because it's so big, it gets the most press and attracts undue attention, but the issues are actually industry-wide (Cheyenne Frontier Days just had kind of a bad year this way, too.)  I'll defer to Resolute on any changes, but having fought NPOV issues across most of the rodeo articles on wiki, I just want to suggest that this issue is well-covered elsewhere.  Montanabw (talk) 23:42, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Agreed, that it doesn't need a ton of weight - just that there were some sources that were not included from fairly prominent Canadian publications / broadcasters. I think the issue I raised has been addressed adequately, I will try to take a look at the rest of the article as time permits.  Canada Hky (talk) 23:49, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Minor inconsistency between caption and article text about pancake breakfast: "up to" or "over" 60,000 people?
 * Redundant description on File:CalgaryStampedeLogo.png is redundant. Really, though, if you're claiming the image is PD you don't need an FUR at all
 * Clicking on the source link for File:Program_for_1912_Calgary_Stampede.jpg yields "your current query is expired". Also, which of the applications of PD-Canada are you claiming here? Should specify on the image description page. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:38, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Regarding the 1912 image, I have encountered this problem with Glenbow Museum images before. It appears they do not assign permanent URLs to their files, you have to perform your search each time. 117Avenue (talk) 12:27, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes. If you go to the search page and enter the ID number for the image (NA-604-1A) in the keyword field, it will come up.   I have fixed the pancake breakfast caption to be consistent with the source.   The Stampede Logo one I am not sure of - I uploaded it as Fair Use because I wasn't certain of the copyright status.  Someone else changed it to PD-Text but left my FUR.  I was going to remove my FUR and leave the source, description, etc. behind, but it occurred to me that while US copyright law would argue it is PD, I am not certain about Canadian copyright law.  I believe it is, but am not completely certain.  I am trying to find something in the copyright law that will answer one way or another. Thanks, Resolute 14:07, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Nevermind. Connormah transferred it to Commons and fixed the description. Resolute 23:12, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Support by Ruhrfisch. I was involved in an extensive peer review of the article and suggested some images for use here in that process. I have just re-read the article and find it meets the FA criteria. The article is very well done, cleanly written, and beautifully illustrated. I made one typo correction and found a missing word (assume this is not just an AM Eng vs Can Eng thing) Corporations and community groups hold lavish events throughout the city for their staff and clients,[139] while bars and pubs erect party tents, the largest of which draws [up] to 20,000 people per day.[140]  Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 00:06, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Nope, that was definitely a missing word. Thank you for catching that, and I appreciate both the review and the support.  Cheers! Resolute 04:11, 6 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Source-checking – Spot-checked about 10 or so references and found nothing troublesome.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 01:31, 10 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Comments reading through now. I'll make straightforward copyedits as I go and jot queries below. Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:23, 15 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Is there an algorithm for figuring out when in July it is? Has it always been thus?


 * For many Calgarians, the event results in reduced productivity as workplace and personal responsibilities are relaxed - ermm, what? The last five words have lost me....

Otherwise looking pretty good. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:00, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Nice way to say "a lot of people party a lot and are too hung over to do much, and those who aren't take the week off anyway!!" (grinning, ducking and running) --MTBW
 * It seems that the Stampede always starts on the Friday closest to, but before, the 10th. So it will always start between the 3rd and the 9th of July. Problem is, I don't have a way of sourcing that.  I'll have to do some more digging.  Also, will attempt to reword the second passage. Thanks, Resolute 14:52, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Reworded that passage. I am leafing through old media guides to see if I can cite the formula for the dates the event runs. Resolute 23:10, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Support with further nitpicks. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:07, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Might link Alberta in the lead for the poor neglected non-Canadians
 * When did the official name drop the "Exhibition"?
 * Does E.L. Richardson have an article?
 * Per WP:MOSNUM, "12-hour clock times end with dotted or undotted lower-case a.m. or p.m., or am or pm", not "AM"
 * Comma use could be tweaked - some phrases need one (ex. ""Aggie Days", a program designed to introduce urban schoolchildren to agriculture, was introduced in 1989") while others need one removed (ex. "It is the largest, and most famous event of its kind in the world")
 * "Offering a prize of $100,000 to the winner of each major discipline and $1,000,000 total on championship day alone, it also offers the richest payout" - offering...offers is repetitive, can a synonym be used? Nikkimaria (talk) 15:07, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Appreciated. All of your points should be addressed, and no, there is no article on Richardson that I can find. Thanks again! Resolute 22:31, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

I thought this strange:"The National Cutting Horse Association sanctions a World Series of cutting event," The NCHA is US; the event is in Canada. Does that strike anyone else as strange? Should US be added before the NCHA? Sandy Georgia (Talk) 19:49, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It is US-based, but seems to have a growing world flair. In addition to the Calgary event, there is also one in France in 2011.  That said, I think noting that it is an American organization coming to Canada would add to the uniqueness of the event, so I will make a note as you suggest.   Additionally, in response to your question in this edit summary, it is capitalized as a proper name, i.e.: the "World Series of Cutting".  Thanks for your review, and the promotion! Resolute 20:56, 28 August 2011 (UTC)


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