Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Carrington Moss/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Karanacs 20:49, 22 May 2009.

Carrington Moss

 * Nominator(s): Parrot of Doom (talk) 10:06, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because I believe the article is a balanced and interesting read on a part of Manchester's waste disposal history. The article is quite new, but I've worked pretty hard on it. Parrot of Doom (talk) 10:06, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments -
 * You've mixed using the Template:Citation with the templates that start with Cite such as Template:Cite journal or Template:Cite news. They shouldn't be mixed per WP:CITE.
 * Done Parrot of Doom (talk) 17:16, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * What makes http://www.old-maps.co.uk/IndexMapPage2.aspx a reliable source?
 * Ordnance Survey is pretty reliable I'd say - About us Parrot of Doom (talk) 17:16, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Is it ordinance survey that's putting the site out? Or is the map hosted on a third party site? Do they have permission to host that? (I have no clue on copyright for Ord Survey maps, so I'm clueless on whether they are even copyrighted.) Ealdgyth - Talk 17:30, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * "this site contains historical mapping from Ordnance Survey’s County Series at 1:2500 & 1:10 560 scales dating from 1840 to 1948." - Ordnance Survey maps are Crown copyright and expire 50 years from first publication. old-maps.co.uk do watermark the images, which is an attempt to stop people from re-using them, but only the watermark is copyrighted.  An add-on in Flickr easily removes those watermarks. Parrot of Doom (talk) 17:57, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll leave this out for other reviewers to decide for themselves. Ealdgyth - Talk 18:16, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * POD is correct here; copyright on OS maps automatically expires 50 years after publication. Using old-maps.co.uk is just a convenience; as photographing a work doesn't constitute enough original input to create a new work, they can't claim copyright over it. (They plaster watermarks on things to make it inconvenient to lift material from them.) –  iride scent  20:30, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * http://leisure.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/products/paper-maps/paper-maps-ordnance-survey-great-britain/paper-maps-ordnance-survey-great-britain-os-landranger-map/manchester/pid-9780319231555 deadlinks
 * Works fine here, on 3 browsers. Parrot of Doom (talk) 17:16, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Works now, weird. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:30, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:17, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Support Oppose title not lewd enough hahaha, just starting to read through now. Did glance when it was at GAN but got sidetracked by other things. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:57, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Ornamental shrubs grown in a nursery were used in the parks and gardens of Manchester - I am always curious to know what shrubs can be grown with a ruddy great frost every winter and poor drainage. Not a deal-breaker but if some can be listed I'd be a happy gardener.


 * Rhododendron is the only variety I know of, so I've added that. The only other plant that gets a mention is the Conifer, but only because it couldn't be grown there :) Parrot of Doom (talk) 21:35, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Given it has a biodiversity plan, the section is rather small. I changed the names a bit, common practice is to have common name followed by scientific name in parentheses, be good to tweak asphodel and cranberry to get the right species. Ditto cotton sedge. any other information on wildlife such as more birds and reptiles/amphibians etc. would be good.


 * The biodiversity plan, so far as I can make out, is only to ensure that breeding pairs of Partridges continue to visit Carrington Moss. I will however try and find out more about the fauna. I have some big pdf files to read through that may yield some results. Parrot of Doom (talk) 21:35, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment – the biodiversity reference (currently 55) links to the main website which doesn't actually mention Carrington Moss at all – it was only your mention of partridges that let me find the document in question. (With all due respect to Trafford, "protect the two surviving breeding pairs of partridges" is possibly the most sorry biodiversity plan I've ever seen.) Incidentally, "Carrington Moss is home to the only recorded pair of breeding partridges" implies that there's only one pair, but the document referenced talks about two pairs. You also say "Stigmella continuella (a species of Moth) has been observed in the area", but I think that really needs some expansion – is there anything unusual about this particular moth? (If it's just the same kind of moth as the rest of Manchester, it probably doesn't warrant mentioning, otherwise we're down the pigeons-and-rabbits list of everything in the area route; if it's unique to the area, endangered etc, that warrants a mention.) – iride  scent   00:12, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I've changed the ref text to instruct the reader further, and changed the Partridge wording. I've also added more on nature at Carrington from that site, and added a line (unreferenced but self evident (not a criticism btw)) on the moth.  In comparison to other Mosses around Manchester Carringon is somewhat lacking on detailed information about wildlife in the area - most of what exists is from a time before it was reclaimed, as now the area is mostly arable farmland.  The notability of this article is mostly about its use as a dumping ground for Manchester's poo :) Parrot of Doom (talk) 09:54, 17 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Support. It's a bit choppy in places, but that's due to a lot of relatively brief facts that need mentioning but don't warrant going into great detail, so there's no way round that. Articles like this, on things that are important to those with an interest in the field but too obscure a topic for the Britannicas of the world to cover, are where Wikipedia shines. (One minor point; given its significance, it should probably be categorised with at least one of the subcategories of Category:Waste. I'll leave it to those who know more about the area to consider which, if any, are appropriate.) –  iridescent   11:50, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Added to Category:Waste management Parrot of Doom (talk) 12:12, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I've also added some detail on a nature reserve in man utd's training ground. It isn't much but it does help reduce the 'choppiness' you noted.  I work in that training ground occasionally, so one day I hope to be able to get a good photograph of the reserve. Parrot of Doom (talk) 11:21, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments - Great work, though I do have a few comments and questions.
 * Support, all concerns addressed. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 13:20, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It is south of the River Mersey approximately 10 miles (16 km) south-west of Manchester - I can't quite identify it, but something seems odd about this bit.
 * Changed to "It is south of the River Mersey, approximately 10 miles (16 km) south-west of Manchester, and occupi..." Parrot of Doom (talk) 09:55, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Originally an unused area of grouse moorland - Might want to link grouse.
 * This has been done (not by me) Parrot of Doom (talk) 09:55, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * That last line of the lead could probably be merged with the prior paragraph.
 * I think that last line is a good summary of things now. I had considered moving the sports facilities onto the same line, but they're private.  The lead goes from "where" to "used" to "present use".  I could add some information about the public rights of way through the moss, and the horse riding school on the former nursery? Parrot of Doom (talk) 09:55, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Added a line about rights of way Parrot of Doom (talk) 19:22, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * but a more recent explanation is that the name is from an Anglicised form of a Scandinavian personal name. - "Explanation" &rarr; "theory".
 * Done Parrot of Doom (talk) 09:55, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * but this not considered practical - Missing word?
 * fixed Parrot of Doom (talk) 09:55, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * In 1897 37,082 tons of nightsoil - A comma after "1987" would be useful here.
 * Done Parrot of Doom (talk) 09:55, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

– Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 01:36, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The last sentence of the 20th century section seems a bit lost IMO. Perhaps it could be incorporated into the top of the history section?
 * How about I add some information on riding schools and horse-riding, which would tie in with the lead? Parrot of Doom (talk) 09:55, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Added. Parrot of Doom (talk) 19:22, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
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