Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Cherry Valentine/archive1

Cherry Valentine

 * Nominator(s): Another Believer  ( Talk ) 14:33, 4 April 2023 (UTC) and JuanGLP (talk + contribs) 14:40, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

This article is about an English drag queen and mental health nurse who competed on the second series of RuPaul's Drag Race UK. The article has been edited and reviewed extensively — following the subject's death, the article received well over 100,000 views, appeared in the "In the news" section, was promoted to Good status, and appeared in the "Did you know" section. I think any major issues would have been flagged by the community by now.

I'd like to think the article meets FA criteria and I'd appreciate feedback from reviewers to get this entry promoted. I'm happy to co-nominate this article for consideration with fellow WikiProject Drag Race editor User:JuanGLP. Thanks! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:33, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Comments by Aoba47
This is a placeholder and I will either post further comments later this week or over the weekend. I do have a few quick comments below:


 * I do not see a clear reason why the birth date and death date need to be cited in the infobox when both should be presented and cited in the article itself. I see the death date cited in the article, but I do not see the birthday present or cited in the article.
 * Good catch! I've moved the citations out of the infobox. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:17, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for looking at this, but I do not think the citations are necessary for the lead either. The information about when Valentine was born and died should be present in the article and cited accordingly so I see no need to cite either of these dates in the lead. From my understanding, citations in the lead are limited to either controversial or highly-contested information and/or quotes. Continuing off this comment, I would put the information on Valentine's birthday in the article, where it is currently not discussed. Aoba47 (talk) 18:16, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I see what you mean. Done! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:54, 4 April 2023 (UTC)


 * The lead seems too short for the article. I have not read through the actual article itself so it may match, but it is something that jumped out at me so I was curious about your opinion on this?
 * I've added a second sentence. Unless you think gender identity or cause of death should be included in the lead, I'm not sure what other details might be necessary or helpful to readers. Definitely open to ideas! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:27, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your response. I am not sure yet as I have not read the article in full so I will re-read the lead once I have done that. Aoba47 (talk) 18:19, 4 April 2023 (UTC)


 * For the first line in the article saying the subject's name, (i.e. Ward, as his father had done, was expected to develop a career as a mechanic.), the full name should be used (i.e. George Ward). I am assuming there is no middle name.
 * Done. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:17, 4 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Drag queen should be linked in the first instance in the article to be consistent with the link in the lead.
 * Done. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:17, 4 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Was there any reason Ward chose Cherry Valentine as a drag name? It seems like most of the time they provide some sort of explanation for this kind of thing, especially when given a platform like Drag Race to talk about themselves.
 * Good question! But, unfortunately, I've not come across an answer after various Google searches. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:23, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @Another Believer, I found this source that mentions the "origin" of Ward's drag name, it may help with the explanation: https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/uk/rupauls-drag-race-uk-star-george-ward-known-as-cherry-valentine-passes-away-at-28/articleshow/94399798.cms?from=mdr — JuanGLP (talk + contribs) 15:31, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @JuanGLP Great find! Thank you. I'll update the article now. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:43, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:39, 4 April 2023 (UTC)


 * In the citation titles, show titles like RuPaul's Drag Race UK should be presented in italics in each instance per WP:CONFORMTITLE.
 * Done. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:17, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Gah! Thank you for your assistance with formatting. I had searched for the text "RuPaul's Drag Race UK" but clearly forgot to also search "U.K." and "Drag Race" in general. Much appreciated. --- Another Believer  ( Talk ) 17:26, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * It happens to the best of us. I hope I was not over-stepping by making those edits. It is easy to miss that kind of thing, especially when sources present the franchise title in different ways. I do have one more quick comment about the citation titles. For Citations 31 and 36, I would avoid putting the entire title or whole words in all caps even if the source does it in their own title. Aoba47 (talk) 18:16, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Definitely not over-stepping, I appreciate the help. I've fixed citations 31 and 36. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:05, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

I hope these comments are helpful so far, but this is mostly a placeholder as I have not done a a real read-through of the article. It is great to see a LGBT biography in the FAC space, and best of luck with it. Please ping me by this time next week if I have not posted a full review. Aoba47 (talk) 15:07, 4 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Happy to continue discussing any concerns or requests you might have. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:28, 4 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I am glad that I could help so far! Aoba47 (talk) 18:16, 4 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I would add WP:ALT text to the infobox image.
 * Done. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:10, 4 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I cannot find the infobox image in the source link in the WP:FUR, but I am not sure if that is just an issue on my side.
 * Just wanted to point out that this was not addressed. Aoba47 (talk) 15:46, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, Nikkimaria also flagged below. I'm not sure I understand how to fix but I will try again later. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:49, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * No worries. I just wanted to make sure that this comment did not get lost in the shuffle. Thank you for your patience with my review and apologies for the amount of comments. You have done great work with this article and it is solid shape. Aoba47 (talk) 16:02, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


 * You mentioned The Vivienne and their Romani heritage in this edit summary. I think this would be worth mentioning down in the "Personal life" section, either in the prose or as an end note, as it does add context to why the prose uses "credited". Without that context, I could see some readers being confused by this portion.
 * I've tried to clarify. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:07, 4 April 2023 (UTC)


 * For this part (while still working as a nurse, working in children's), I would avoid repeating "working" in the same sentence in such close proximity.
 * Fixed. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:52, 4 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Is there more to add about Cherry Valentine: Gypsy Queen and Proud? I am not only curious about the context directly with the documentary (like the production, reception, etc.), but also context on Ward's relationship with his heritage, like if he was able to reconcile it with being a drag queen, genderfluid, etc.?
 * I've tried to expand on the documentary a bit. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:04, 4 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I would link RuPaul's DragCon to the appropriate article.
 * Done. (RuPaul's DragCon UK.) --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:10, 4 April 2023 (UTC)


 * A majority of the information in the tables is not present in the prose. By this I mean, his appearance on God Shave the Queens, all of the music and stage stuff, and their award nomination. This should all be incorporated into the prose.
 * I've expanded a bit on God Shave the Queens, music releases, and the "Good Ones" music video appearance. I've actually removed the stage table (not secondary coverage) and the award table, since the WOWies are presented by production company World of Wonder and I couldn't find any other coverage. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:24, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for addressing this point. I would think primary sources would be okay for the stage events, but I could also see an argument about them not being notable if they did not attract secondary coverage. I am not familiar enough with biographical articles so I will leave this up to you and future reviewers. Aoba47 (talk) 18:06, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


 * In the "Television" chart, I do not see a clear reason to need two citations for the God Shave the Queens entry.
 * If more "official" links are preferred, I've removed TheWrap and kept the World of Wonder link. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:26, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The Vulture citations include a publisher, New York, but none of the other citations do this. I would remove the publisher to be consistent with the other citations, and the Vulture link provides enough context in my opinion.
 * Done. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:40, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

I had some additional time today so I wanted to do at least a few read-throughs of the article. I hope these above comments are helpful. I will likely take a break from the article until later in the week so I can have a fresh perspective on it. Aoba47 (talk) 18:50, 4 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Please feel free to take another look when you have a moment. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:55, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the quick responses. I will look through everything above and will read through the article again later in the week. Aoba47 (talk) 01:14, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


 * This may be too nitpick-y so feel free to disagree, but for this sentence (Ward qualified as a mental health nurse in 2015.), would it be beneficial to link "qualified" to qualification types in the United Kingdom for readers outside of the UK?
 * Done. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:08, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I do not think "love for" needs to be quoted and I believe it could be paraphrased.
 * Done. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:08, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Ward's appearance in Jodie Harsh's "My House" music video is not mentioned in the prose. I have the same comment for "A Little Bit of Love" and "Stay Here Forever".
 * I've added mention of "A Little Bit of Love" (not specifically that a recording was released but how the cast performed the song). There's not really secondary coverage for "My House" (unless this is considered a reliable source?), but the video exists. Similarly, there's not really secondary coverage for "Stay Here Forever", but the track exists. I suggest we leave mention in the tables but not in the article body as a necessary detail? But, of course, I'll make whatever changes are necessary to meet FA standards. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:20, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I respectfully disagree as I think that anything in the tables should be represented in the prose. It may not have gotten secondary coverage, but I still think it is worthy of a very brief mention in the prose. Aoba47 (talk) 00:41, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * OK! No prob. I've added mention of both. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:55, 6 April 2023 (UTC)


 * The infobox says Ward died in Hornsey, England, but I do not see that supported in the prose. I do not think specific details regarding Ward's death need to be provided in the prose, with sensitivity to his suicide, but I would still include the city along with a source to support this information.
 * Done. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:26, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * For this part (and Michelle Visage said Ward was) I would clarify that Visage is one of the show's judges. While this may be common knowledge to Drag Race fans, I could see this being confusing for unfamiliar readers.
 * Done. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:26, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

I believe this should be the end of my review. The lead still looks short to me, but I do see your point. I am not sure what else to really add so I will leave that up to other reviews. Once my comments have been addressed, I will look through the article once more, but I doubt I will find anything major. Just to be clear, my comment about the infobox image is different than Nikkimaria's image review. I am not focused on the copyright, but I do not see the image in the source link. Aoba47 (talk) 18:32, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @Aoba47 Thanks for clarifying about the image. You're right, I don't see the image either (User:Meena did the upload, not me). I would be fine if someone just deleted the image so someone could eventually upload one properly. What do you think? --- Another Believer  ( Talk ) 19:10, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I think there is value in having an image of the subject, but we do need to be able to track down where the image came from. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:35, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Does this tweet (or this URL) work? That's all I can find via Google Image. I am not stuck on this particular image, though, if uploading a different one is easier. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:46, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I checked on Google, I see some articles using the image:, though I believe the first one is just the image but cropped. — JuanGLP (talk + contribs) 03:12, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I would reccomend citing the tweet directly as that appears to be the original source. I am not sure if either of the two other websites are really notable or high-quality by Wikipedia standards. Aoba47 (talk) 15:09, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I've updated the URL at File:Cherry Valentine 2020.jpg. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:12, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for addressing everything and for your patience with my review. I support this FAC for promotion based on the prose. Aoba47 (talk) 16:04, 6 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for reviewing and supporting. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:34, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! @Another Believer, is one of the best users on Wikipedia, that is both helpful and kind. 🎉 — JuanGLP (talk + contribs) 16:47, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I am glad that I could help. If you would like me to collapse my comments, feel free to let me know. I agree about Another Believer. They are one of the first Wikipedia editors (if not the first) I talked to when I first joined this site back in 2016 and they really made me feel welcome and helped me a lot. Aoba47 (talk) 17:20, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, both, for your kind words. Collapsing would be much appreciated, mostly so I can easily see what still needs to be addressed. Thank you! --- Another Believer  ( Talk ) 17:23, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Of course. I have collapsed the comments so reviewers can still look through them if they would like. Aoba47 (talk) 17:42, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Image review by Nikkimaria

 * File:Cherry_Valentine_2020.jpg is missing a fair-use tag and needs a more expansive rationale. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:17, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @Nikkimaria Better? Tried my best to fix. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 04:35, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Not there yet unfortunately. Still missing a tag, and the rationale should add who is believed to be the copyright holder, how it (doesn't) compete with the copyright holder's usage, why text is not sufficient, etc. Once you add a tag you can look at other examples of images using it. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:41, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not really sure what to do here. Are you familiar with fair use image tags and rationales? --- Another Believer  ( Talk ) 16:19, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Putting this discussion/request on your radar, as the editor who uploaded the image. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:27, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I am not allowed to help, but I have added a fair use licensing template. Is it the right one? Spinixster   (chat!)  03:02, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @Spinixster No need to apologize for helping! I'll let others determine if the template is correct since this is not my area of expertise. Thanks for taking a stab at fixing! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:27, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
 * - is the licensing resolved here? Hog Farm Talk 17:04, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Not quite - as above, the rationale is missing copyright holder and info on respect for commercial opportunities. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:53, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure how to resolve this issue. Any suggestions for where I can go for help? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 13:00, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * It looks like a publicity shot. Do you know if they had a website or social media feed when they were alive? - SchroCat (talk) 18:09, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure, sorry. I didn't upload the image and I'm at a point where I wish someone could just replace it with one that isn't problematic for whatever reason. I'd hate for this to be the reason for potentially failing FAC. Again, any assistance with the image issue here is much appreciated as this is outside my expertise. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:14, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I've run some reverse image searches, and while there are some other copies out there, they are on Twitter etc and don't show copyright information. There are others of her with the same dress/makeup etc which were taken by the BBC (as far as I can see), but it would be guesswork to say that the Beeb were definitely the source of the image. You may be better off uploading a different one which you know the provenance of. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 18:23, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not familiar with uploading images of people under fair use, dead or living. Perhaps a solution here is just to delete the infobox image? Unless there's a fix, I'd rather the article be unillustrated until someone who knows how to correctly add an image does so. --- Another Believer  ( Talk ) 18:28, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * There are a couple of options here which are from the BBC, which may be options. - SchroCat (talk) 18:26, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * If you're not attached to this image, an alternative with clearer provenance would be a good solution. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:53, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Not sure if this article's promotion is dependent on a new upload or not, but I've nominated File:Cherry Valentine 2020.jpg for deletion. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:16, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Update: ✅ The image has been deleted. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:56, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Comments by ChrisThe Dude
-- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:04, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Lead does seem a little thin. Maybe mention his death?
 * I've expanded the lead a bit. Hopefully User:Aoba47 approves, too. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:38, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * "George Ward was born on November 30, 1993" - add his place of birth
 * Of course! Done. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:25, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * "As his father had done, was expected" => "As his father had done, he was expected"
 * Fixed. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:25, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * "at the University of Cumbria where he was introduced to Manchester's drag scene" - this gives the impression that Manchester is in Cumbria, which it isn't. Maybe change to "at the University of Cumbria, during which time he was introduced to Manchester's drag scene"
 * Very helpful! Thanks. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:25, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * "his fondness of Valentine's Day" => "his fondness for Valentine's Day
 * Done. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:25, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * "Ward returned to work in National Health Service (NHS)" => "Ward returned to work in the National Health Service (NHS)"
 * Done. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:25, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * "and RuPaul's DragCon UK announced a" - a convention can't announce anything, presumably it was the convention's organisers? Also add "that" after "announced"
 * Done. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:25, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:01, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for reviewing and supporting. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:09, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Comments by Pseud 14
That's all from me. This was a very good read. Pseud 14 (talk) 21:46, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * After failing to impress judges with her performance -- perhaps you can include a month and year or indicate that the show had resumed after the pandemic for the beginning of the third para.
 * I've shuffled some content which I hope helps with understanding the chronology. She was eliminated in the second episode. Episode 4 the last filmed before lockdown. Filming resumed later in the year. She made appearances in Episodes 5 and 10. Do these changes help? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:04, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * That reads much better now after the changes. Thanks for clarifying that. Pseud 14 (talk) 22:38, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Cherry Valentine had to lip-sync - the preceding sentence only says she failed to impress the judges in the Rusical, perhaps you can specify that she had to lip sync because she was bottom two or something along those lines, for those unfamiliar about the concept of Drag Race
 * I've added mention of her bottom two placement. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:04, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * a documentary show about the tour -- a documentary about the tour (it is already mentioned as a series)
 * Done. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:04, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * inquest -- suggest linking
 * Done. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:04, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * with donations benefitting "Cherry's legacy fund and mental health charities close to George's heart" -- would it be better if this was paraphrased in straight prose instead of the quotation?
 * Done. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:04, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:04, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I am satisfied with the changes. Happy to support on prose. If you have spare time and interest, I would also appreciate your input/comments on a current FAC. Pseud 14 (talk) 22:38, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Marker for me. I'll be along shortly. - SchroCat (talk) 14:56, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
 * SC
 * Should “Traveller” be capitalised? (I ask from a position of complete ignorance, and only because I read something on the BBC and they don’t).
 * Great question, but I'm not sure. I was following Romanichal and sources, but I'm totally open to changes as other editors see fit. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:51, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * "moniker" is slang, so "stage name" would be better
 * Done. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:51, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Do we need to use "Cherry Valentine" at every mention? “Valentine” should suffice after the first mention
 * There's some inconsistency here across Wikipedia. I'd say, generally, quality articles about queens use the full name throughout since they don't have "true" last names (examples: Bolivia Carmichaels, Flawless Shade, India Ferrah), and because most queens are actually referred to by their "first" name (example: everyone calls Detox Icunt "Detox"; no one would call her "Icunt"). There are some exceptions, depending on the subject's name preferences and what sources do. When I see sources like BBC using "Cherry Valentine" throughout, BBC using "Cherry", and Gay Times using "Cherry", I tend to prefer not to refer to Cherry Valentine as "Valentine". --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:51, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * This switches between "he" and "she" at various points, and it's not clarified until a bit later when you say "Ward used he/they pronouns when not in drag". It's a bit off to have his early life description, then career, than back to him growing up, being a T/traveller, coming out and being a drag queen. You should think hard about moving the first two paragraphs of Personal Life into the Early life (which is all those paragraphs deal with). You can go straight from the end of his career to his death
 * I see where you're coming from, but I think I disagree, only because these paragraphs in the Personal life section refer to multiple projects mentioned in the Career section. I think it would be confusing to readers to mention Drag Race and Gypsy Queen and Proud in the Early life and education section. If you feel strongly about moving content, I could try taking a scalpel to the Personal life section and relocating the content which describes his upbringing, but leaving mention how the subject's experience relates to their career. What do you think? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:00, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * OK. Let me draft up an idea for you in my sandbox - if you don’t like it, that’s fine and you can go with yours, but it may help. What I would prefer is if the question over their entry to drag and the his/hers pronouns be explained before the pronoun is swapped around in the rest of the article. That would avoid the confusion I initially had while reading. I’ll ping you a copy when I’m done, which will be in the morning. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 22:35, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Have a look at this to show my suggestion. The moved around bits are in green, just so they're easier to see where they end up. I've cut out some of the bits that are not needed (when he talked about his early life, we don't need to know who he told - that's not important, what he said is the key bit. Other bits sit quite comfortably in the career section. - SchroCat (talk) 09:09, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @SchroCat Very helpful, thank you. I've made these changes, based on your suggested text relocations. However, I think we might disagree about where to place the following two sentences:
 * Described as genderfluid and queer, Ward used he/they pronouns when not in drag.
 * As part of the LGBT community, Ward hid his Traveller heritage because he feared he might receive "hate or backlash".
 * I'm not convinced these belong in the Early life and education section. I understand you're trying to address pronouns earlier in the article's prose, but we should not imply the subject made his preferred pronouns known at a young age. What do you think about leaving these two sentences about gender and sexual orientation in the Personal life section? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:40, 21 April 2023 (UTC)


 * "he said; "Growing" – there's no punctuation needed (except in AmEng) before the quote, but if you want to use something, it shouldn't be a semi-colon.
 * Changed to colon. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:56, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * "Tayce, and Tia Kofi" v "Sum Ting Wong and The Vivienne": you should be consistent with the serial comma
 * Added comma. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:54, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * "Additionally": delete. It’s another paragraph, so it’s obviously additionally, and the word does no beneficial work, particularly at the beginning of the paragraph.
 * Done. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:53, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * "paid tribute to him; these include...": paid as past tense and include as present?
 * Changed "include" to "included". --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:53, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

That's it. Not much to pick up on, but the stuff in the 'personal life' section sits out of place for me. Cheers – SchroCat (talk) 16:35, 20 April 2023 (UTC)


 * “Ward died in Hornsey on 18...”: maybe “in Hornsey, north London on ...”, as there will be many who have no idea about where it is? - SchroCat (talk) 22:35, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I've changed to "Ward died in the north London district of Hornsey on...". Hope that works for you! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:55, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The citations shouldn't have the language field in them (the documentation says only to use them for non-English sources.
 * Done. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:23, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * "In the episode, Ward reflected on his 2022 documentary about being raised within the English Traveller community called Cherry Valentine: Gypsy Queen and Proud" This doesn't work properly - you're saying the community is called CVGQ&P. It would be better as "In the episode, Ward reflected on his 2022 Cherry Valentine: Gypsy Queen and Proud documentary about being raised within the English Traveller community" - SchroCat (talk) 09:09, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:23, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. I'm not convinced by having the explanation of the she/he use deep in the article, way after people will have been confused or possibly begun editing it, but there isn't any guideline or policy on when to mention it, so it would be unfair to withhold a support for that single point. Aside from that, I have no concerns on the prose (I've not looked at the sourcing or licensing). Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 19:07, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reviewing and supporting. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:17, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Source review by Jo-Jo Eumerus
Source formatting seems consistent (although Attitude is once linked and the other time not) and all the critical information is there. Are The Tab and Daily Telegraph RS? From what I know, British newspapers have a dodgy reputation. Spot-check upon request. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:06, 8 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Jo-Jo Eumerus I don't see The Tab at Reliable sources/Perennial sources. I do, however, see that Daily Telegraph is acceptable. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:56, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * That The Tab isn't listed there merely means that it hasn't been assessed yet. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:19, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I understand, just wanted to confirm that I checked the list re: reliability. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:31, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Jo-Jo Eumerus Also, the source is just being used to verify the documentary's existence. Plenty of other sources could be used for this and the "claim" is not controversial. If you have a preferred source in mind, please share a link and I'll be happy to replace the citation. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:40, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Meh, if it's only for that it can stay. I won't push the issue with Daily Telegraph if nobody else sees a problem. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:27, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * chipping in here as a Brit to say that "British newspapers have a dodgy reputation" as a generalisation definitely isn't true. Sure, there are some iffy tabloids, as there are in many countries, but the "broadsheet" papers (of which the Telegraph is one) are very highly regarded -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:47, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hrmm. I've seen a fair amount of people living in the UK disagree even on the Telegraph, so I had to ask extra. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 12:09, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Jo-Jo, could I take you up on the offer of a spotcheck, as one half of our nominating team is, I believe, new to FAC? Tks/cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 18:37, 12 May 2023 (UTC) Sure: Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:44, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * 5: OK.
 * 1: It says that Valentine was raised, not born, in Darlington. I presume we are using Darlington's coordinates to say that it's northeast England?
 * 6: Where does it say that he was introduced to Manchester's drag scene?
 * 3: OK (the newspaper editors ought to note that Huntington's disease is not a "brain injury", though)
 * 8: I am not sure I see the bottom two and elimination bits?
 * 10: Where does it say that it's the second series and that Valentine became 12th?
 * 13: I don't see the NHS and vaccines mentioned in it.
 * 16: OK, but I note that the source text is quite similar to the article text (WP:CLOP), a bit of rewrite may be warranted.
 * 11: OK.
 * 15: Where does it say that it was the fifth?
 * The article's title is "RuPaul's Drag Race U.K. Recap, Season 2 Episode 5" --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:31, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * 18: OK.
 * 20: I presume this is mentioned somewhere in the video?
 * 40: OK.
 * 25: OK, but I notice the same CLOP issue with source 24.
 * 35: OK.
 * 26: OK.
 * 31: Where does it say "hanging"? Also, if his family disowned him after the come-out, it should probably explicitly say so in the article.
 * 32: Where does it and 33 say "Bimini Bon-Boulash", "Cheryl Hoyle", "The Vivienne" and "Baga Chipz"? I don't see the Visage quote.
 * 37: OK.
 * 41: OKish.


 * I am relatively new for this, but I will try to help and find the sources for this nomination.
 * 1 - Added citation that mentions C. Valentine was born in Darlington, UK.
 * 16 - I did try to re-worded, take a look if it's good.
 * 20 - Added citation from an article instead of the video citation.
 * 25 - I did remove citation source 24.
 * 31 - Added citation from PinkNews stating the cause of death is from hanging.
 * 32 - Added citations.
 * I hope this solves everything. — JuanGLP (talk + contribs) 02:26, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * 6 - Added citation mentioning about the drag scene.
 * 8 (now 10) - It is mentioning about their unused drag names?
 * 15 - As @Another Believer says, it mention's on the article's name.
 * Currently fixing source 3, 10, and 13. — JuanGLP (talk + contribs) 02:56, 14 May 2023 (UTC)


 * A citation was added to the Daily Star, which is deprecated. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:12, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * 13 (now 15) - Added source mentioning about the vaccine rollout.
 * 32 (now 36) - Replaced with a better source
 * Still looking. — JuanGLP (talk + contribs) 03:25, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

So I checked the source review from, and completed the list. The only source I got stuck on is source 10. Not many sources mention C. Valentine placing in 12th place. — JuanGLP (talk + contribs) 14:51, 15 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I would say this is not a controversial claim, per RuPaul's Drag Race UK (series 2). Also, there are sources which describe Cherry Valentine as the "first eliminated" contestant, and since the article's prose specifically mentions the series had twelve contestants, the subject's placement is implied. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:01, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Anything else needed here? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:05, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The text supported to 24 and 16 has to be rewritten; closely paraphrased text doesn't stop being a problem just because the link to the source is gone. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:41, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm very sorry, but can you clarify specifically what requires fixing? Between your feedback, User:JuanGLP's attempts to fix, and changes to the order of references, I'm a bit confused. Thanks, --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:48, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I was reviewing this version. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 17:37, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Jo-Jo Eumerus Better? Hopefully I'm understanding correctly. --- Another Believer  ( Talk ) 17:53, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I think so, yes. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 18:02, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for confirming! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:49, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

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