Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Clarence 13X/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by GrahamColm 18:50, 1 August 2012.

Clarence 13X

 * Nominator(s): Mark Arsten (talk) 02:33, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Like many other Americans who founded religions, Clarence 13X is a very interesting character. He was a gambler, a community activist, and the founder of the Five Percent Nation. Although he is not well known today, the group he founded, though often controversial, has survived and prospered. I think this is a well-researched, balanced account of his life, thanks in large part to the help of Crisco 1492, The Rambling Man, and Acdixon. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:33, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Image review from Crisco 1492
 * File:Clarence 13X standing.jpg - Looks solid
 * File:Malcolm Shabazz Mosque.jpg - Looks solid
 * File:Bellevue Psychiatric Hospital old building.jpg - Looks solid
 * File:John Lindsay NYWTS 1.jpg - Looks solid
 * Images are fine. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:57, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, thankfully I had a skilled image reviewer do the GA review :) Mark Arsten (talk) 03:02, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Har har :-) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:19, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Addressed comments from Crisco 1492 moved to talk
 * Support on prose and images. Stellar work as usual. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:11, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all your help, glad to hear that you like it. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:10, 21 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Support with one comment. The article notes that Clarence 13X had two sons with Willieen Jowers, one son with a follower named Gusavia, and "several sons" with Dora Smith. It further notes that Gottehrer said Clarence 13X offered to let him sleep with his teenage daughter. Where did the daughter come from? All we have mentioned in the article are sons. Otherwise, the article has been improved substantially since I peer reviewed it, and it was in pretty good shape then. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 20:44, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your thorough peer review and stopping by to support. Funny about the daughters thing, I recheck the page about his sons with Dora and it said they had daughters too. I must have overlooked that because the page was mostly about his thinking that sons were better than daughters. Hopefully this was one of those teachings that his followers adjusted over time. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:17, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Let's hope so. Switching to unqualified support, as the issue above has been addresssed. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 14:36, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Comments – Just a few nitpicks from me—overall, this is a well-done article.
 * "and also disagreed with the NOI's teachings that Wallace Fard Muhammad was a divine messenger." The "also" is redundant to the previous word, and can safely be removed without altering meaning, which would make the sentence a shade tighter.
 * Early life and Nation of Islam: "In 1946, he moved to New York City with his mother, where they settled in Harlem." "where" is modifying "mother" with this positioning, not the city as is intended. Moving "with his mother" to before New York City should fix this little issue.
 * Founding the Five Percenters: The last four sentences of the section refer to Clarence 13X as "he", and three start with "He". A little more variety in both aspects would be good.
 * Death: "and the mayor later visited the Five Percenter's school to express condolences." "Percenter's" → "Percenters'"? Giants2008  ( Talk ) 00:31, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the read, those are great comments. I think I've taken care of them. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:57, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Support – I made one spacing fix while checking the responses. With that and the above out of the way, I'm satisfied that this meets all of the FA criteria. Nice work. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 01:12, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help on this! Mark Arsten (talk) 02:35, 31 July 2012 (UTC)


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