Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Clements Markham/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Karanacs 18:32, 12 May 2009.

Clements Markham

 * Nominator(s): Brianboulton (talk) 17:57, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Can the pretty naval cadet and the pompous old buffer in the infobox possibly be one and the same? They can: Tempus edax rerum. My thanks to the peer reviewers for spotting the mistakes in the article and suggesting many improvements, making this a viable nomination. Brianboulton (talk) 17:57, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Support as one of the peer reviewers. I rather groaned when I saw who Brian had asked me to review (not another old creep with a connection to the (Ant)Arctic), but it is a very engaging article, well written, and with four peer reviewers (I should be so lucky on MY articles), I think most of the bugs are out of this one. I look forward to a speedy promotion!--Wehwalt (talk) 18:20, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Images - There are a lot of images tagged as free only in the US, could these be reviewed to get them fully free, i.e. free in the country of origin and in the US, thus furthering the mission Fasach Nua (talk) 19:22, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I will work on this. It is likely to take some time, because of lack of information on some of the images, but I will do what I can. Brianboulton (talk) 17:59, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Support as another of the four peer reviewers - all of my minor quibbles were addressed in the Peer Review. Well done and fully meets the FA criteria, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 19:26, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Support as another one of the nitpicking peer-reviewers – all my minor quibbles were quickly addressed/discussed too at PR. The comment above about the images, while important, is, in my view, outside the scope of the FAC process. Graham Colm Talk 22:08, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment It appear reference 21 needs page numbers. Mm40 (talk) 01:21, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed Brianboulton (talk) 07:21, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Comments
 * At least The Life of Sir Clements R. Markham in Sources could be linked to the Internet Archive, maybe more of them.
 * Are all books by Markham listed in Writings? Otherwise, what is the criteria for inclusion? --Skizzik talk 07:59, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I am working on both of these, will report back later. The short answer to the second point is that I attempted to list all books (as distinct from articles, ssays, reports etc) by Markham, but I have discovered others, so the list will be extended. Brianboulton (talk) 17:59, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * OK I found a better source for Markham's books and the list has been extended. Wherever possible I have linked these to the Internet Archive. As I said, the list is intended to be complete, not a selection. I will keep on the lookout for any obscure titles that might have been omitted. Brianboulton (talk) 21:38, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the article now meets the FA criteria and am happy to Support. Thanks for an interesting read! --Skizzik talk 10:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Comments
 * Death and Legacy section should include what family members survived him. I see that he married a woman and they had a daughter named May. Were there no other children born to he and his wife? If so, the sentence should say "only child, a daughter named May" or something to that effect so Reader is not left hanging wondering about the rest of his family life.  Nancy Heise    talk  15:41, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I have specified "only" child in the text, and have added a little into the Death and Legacy section, as you suggest. Neither Minna nor May lived public lives, and there is nothing on record about them outside of Sir Clements's orbit. All we know of Minna is that she survived him, because the 1917 biography was dedicated to her, but there is no public source for her date of death. May is even more obscure; all we have is a brief sentence in the biography saying that she devoted herself to church work. Whether she married, or when she died, are not public facts. Brianboulton (talk) 17:59, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Great job, I copyedited one of the new sentences in Death and Legacy.  Nancy Heise    talk  18:08, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Support comments have been addressed, the article meets FA criteria  Nancy Heise    talk  18:08, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I looked up the Markham family in Burke's Landed Gentry. Nothing on Minna, but I found that May's full name was Mary Louise, and that she died in 1926. I have added – and sourced – this information. Brianboulton (talk) 13:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Ouch. Burke's is ... not always the best source, but for this is probably safe enough to use. Given that the edition you used was from 1972, and the data was earlier than that by a good bit, perhaps you might attribute the information as coming from Burke's? Ealdgyth - Talk 23:47, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I have done this. Brianboulton (talk) 08:34, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Support: I was one of the peer reviewers, and all of my concerns were quickly and cheerfully addressed. I thought the article met the FA criteria at the time, and nothing that has happened since then or in the discussions above has caused me to change my mind. Finetooth (talk) 17:12, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Support This article certainly meets wikipedia's FA criteria. Well done and an interesting read. Dincher 01:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment, leaning Support No problems with refs! Ling.Nut (talk&mdash;WP:3IAR) 14:08, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
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