Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Cliff Clinkscales/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 14:18, 25 December 2016.

Cliff Clinkscales

 * Nominator(s): TempleM (talk) 23:54, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

This article is about a veteran professional basketball player who has experience in the NBA Development League and the National Basketball League of Canada. He competed at the collegiate level with DePaul and played high school hoops at Shores Christian Academy in Ocala, Florida. He achieved fame from a young age after having his dribbling skills featured on national television, but struggles in high school brought him down. Clinkscales' entire career has been a comeback, so it is quite an interesting read. I have spent weeks on expanding this article, and it was promoted to GA a few days ago. I recently added most of the college section, so that might need some more review. However, it is very detailed in its coverage of the player and uses just about every reliable source available on the subject. Any comments would be greatly appreciated. TempleM (talk) 23:54, 6 October 2016 (UTC)


 * This article is pretty comprehensive, but it may need some copyediting to meet FA standards. I have performed some copyediting on the article and it probably needs more. That said, it may be a good idea to trim his college sections a bit, since he didn't really do much at DePaul and scoring 5 points in a game isn't that impressive. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 15:43, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I have removed information about some of his less notable performances at DePaul. Let me know if any more work needs to be done (other than copyediting). TempleM (talk) 19:39, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
 * By the way, another user Nairspecht has agreed to copy edit the article. TempleM (talk) 21:47, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello people! JFYI, I am trying to copyedit the whole article, and by the looks of it, it might take few days. Best, Nairspecht  ( talk ) 11:34, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi. Just for the record, I made some copy edits too, although I'm glad Nairspect is looking at the article in detail. Scribolt (talk) 11:38, 10 October 2016 (UTC)


 * One thing I noticed is that the dates in the article are in Month Day Year format, while the references show Day Month Year format. This ought to be reconciled. Also, I think you can remove the copyediting tag, since the last edit was several hours ago. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 22:19, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I will make sure all of the dates are in a constant format. However, the copy editing is still in progress (only a few sections have been thoroughly edited so far). TempleM (talk) 22:38, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, as TempleM has suggested, we should go ahead with the MDY format. Either way, consistency is key. Best, Nairspecht  ( talk ) 02:31, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
 * - You made a few comments during your copy edit of the college section. I have addressed the superfluous statement about "blind passes." Were there any other issues that you need someone else to fix? TempleM (talk) 20:27, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I have noted some minor things on my end. I will furnish them here or on the Talk page in a separate section after I have fully gone through the article. Best, Nairspecht  ( talk ) 06:23, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Folks, I have gone through the whole article and provided my thoughts on certain sections. It has been copyedited and checked for sentence errors. Please proceed further. Thanks for your patience, everyone. Best, Nairspecht  ( talk ) 07:16, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your work on the article. However, there is one comment that I am confused about in the professional career section. You said, "But, what was he doing before this?" in the 2015-16 season section. Also, once everything is cleared up, is there any chance that you could "support" or "oppose" this featured article nomination? TempleM (talk) 15:21, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi TempleM! My concern was what was Cliff doing after the Rainmen filed for bankruptcy? Since no one knew that they would resurrect as the Hurricanes, what was Cliff going to do? Did he consider joining another team? What did he do between the time when the Rainmen were fined and the time when he rejoined the Hurricanes? I know this looks trivial, but an FA article-nominee that it is, readers should have this information. What do you think? "Supporting" the article now. Best, Nairspecht  ( talk ) 14:59, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think I could find any information about his whereabouts between the seasons. I hope that is fine. TempleM (talk) 15:27, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
 * One more thing that brought up before. If you have time, could you please edit the dates on the references? I am currently busy and don't have the time. TempleM (talk) 15:24, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, I tried doing this, but the wiki threw up some error. I'm not sure what's or why's that. If anyone here has some clarity about this, just holler. Best, Nairspecht  ( talk ) 14:59, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
 * - The errors are coming up because you forgot to add a comma to some of the dates. The correct format is "MONTH DAY, YEAR". Is it possible to go back and just add those? TempleM (talk) 15:27, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
 * If that's the case, let me take a gander again. Best, Nairspecht  ( talk )
 * I've just fixed the dates myself. TempleM (talk) 15:50, 16 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Comments from TonyTheTiger
 * "core team member" sounds like a made up term. Is it reffed somewhere. --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:40, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep in mind that the WP:LEAD is suppose to summarize the main body. I don't see core in the main body. What is this summarizing? --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:40, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I have changed the phrase to just "member." Not sure why "core team member" was added. TempleM (talk) 20:46, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I think a better title is needed here. Something better than a "member". Core team member sounds made up, yes, and I'm sorry for that. Nairspecht  ( talk ) 09:46, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Was "the top team in Florida" led by any notable player(s)? --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:45, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I just went through the source again and I discovered that it wasn't actually the top team in Florida...just the top-ranked team in a tournament. Fixed and thank you for bringing it up. TempleM (talk) 20:46, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
 * "Despite his success at Ocala, he was unable to make the national stage because of the low competition level." seems awkward. --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:40, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I have reworded it to "Despite his success at Ocala, the low competition level prevented him from drawing national attention." TempleM (talk) 20:46, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
 * "Basketball news website, The Hoop Scoop, named Clinkscales the 47th-best high school player in his class as he entered college." HoopScoop? What about ESPN, RIvals, Scout and 247? --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:40, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I added information about his star ratings by 247 and Rivals. TempleM (talk) 20:46, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I think only Hoop Scoop does high school player rankings. I may be wrong, though. Nairspecht  ( talk )
 * I am not sure what is out there for that time period.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:49, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Something is amiss about the tone of this article. Post a message at WP:CBBALL or WP:BBALL. I think it is being reviewed by non-basketball folks.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:43, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
 * - I will get to your other comments later, but could you please elaborate on the issue with the tone of this article? TempleM (talk) 11:15, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
 * - I have addressed all of your comments other than the one concerning tone. I will see what I (and other editors) can do about that once you elaborate. TempleM (talk) 20:46, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I have never seen an enumeration of interested schools, but not a list of scholarship offers. Typically, the RS list the leading schools who have offered.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:27, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I will take a look at that. Is there anything else that I can fix? TempleM (talk) 11:16, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I remain unable to tell what schools made him offers.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:54, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
 * You need to swap in cbb link for every team so that if the team-season article is created a bot will swap it in. --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:43, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Also, "first career triumph" should be "first career start". --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:43, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I would also change "one of five" to "the fifth". --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:43, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Use team season articles where appropriate such as 2006–07 Kentucky Wildcats men's basketball team or 2007–08 Villanova Wildcats men's basketball team. --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:43, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Change "Valley Vipers" to "Vipers". --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:56, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Remove WP:NPOV terms like measly. --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:02, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I have addressed all of our concerns. Please let me know if anything else needs to be done, or if I missed something while addressing your concerns. TempleM (talk) 21:40, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I have never heard the phrase "assuming fairness". No need to pipe that link. Just say poor sportsmanship. --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:56, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
 * "which found new ownership" --> "under new ownership" --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:58, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
 * link captain. --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:58, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Nix " The Hurricanes were unable to rally from a 15-point deficit to start the fourth quarter." --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:58, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
 * - Everything you brought up has been fixed. Anything else? TempleM (talk) 17:35, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
 * - Just pinging in case you didn't see my previous reply. Is there anything else wrong with the article? Otherwise, please "Support" or "Oppose" the nomination. Thank you. TempleM (talk) 16:45, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
 * At this point, I Oppose because the article has too many phrases that don't use lingo that I am familiar with ("enter the Vipers' roster", "cut off from the roster", and ""he reunited with the Erie BayHawks"). I don't really want to spend the time going through each paragraph pointing out odd phrasing. I think there remain some unnecessary details as well.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:27, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Just a comment here. I've got no skin in this game, but the above comment puzzles me. What you've said is that is uses phrases that you haven't encountered before. I'm assuming that you mean that you feel that the prose is inconsistent with other basketball articles? Because the simplest interpretation of your criticism (the first) does not seem like a legitimate or actionable issue. I'm sure everyone including the eventual reviewer would appreciate a little more clarity. Thanks. Scribolt (talk) 05:46, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * The article uses lingo that is puzzling to anyone who follows the sport of basketball. I have been reading sports pages in the United States for about 45 years. I have tried to offer corrections to a few phrases above, but I don't feel I should have to revise every other sentence. The authors need to get a WP:PR from someone who knows basketball lingo or encyclopedic tone.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:32, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree with some of what you are saying. There are many places where the wording seems strange for a reader who is interested in basketball. However, I think that isn't a fair basis to "oppose" this candidate on. I have also spent a lot of time working with basketball player biographies, and some (but not all) of the phrases you pointed out seem fine to me. What I am saying is that on Wikipedia, people's writing styles tend to vary. I respect your opinion and the help you provided so far, but not following a certain method should not warrant a flat-out "oppose." I will definitely go through the article again and find any weird phrases, but I strongly encourage you to reconsider your "oppose" or leave more comments until you are comfortable with doing so. TempleM (talk) 15:55, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * : Is anyone willing to comment on this, because it's been a while since I left my last reply? TempleM (talk) 20:20, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, for what it's worth I agree with you, but I'm the first to admit I am not an expert on FA criteria. Is it readable? Yes. Is it clear? Yes. Is it comprehensive? Well, others here have asked the obvious questions and tracked down additional details. I'm not sure whether you can have 'encyclopedic tone' and use 'basketball lingo' from the sports pages simultaneously. I don't know what the next steps are in absence of more input from Tony. Scribolt (talk) 13:04, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I would advise a WP:PR with someone who knows the proper encyclopedic tone for sports content. There are many WP:FA articles that use common basketball lingo and encyclopedic tone. This article is does not do both.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:57, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I am not exactly sure what you mean by 'basketball lingo.' On a different note, do you know any users who regularly edit basketball-related articles who might be interested in taking a look? TempleM (talk) 23:38, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Most of the regs at WP:NBA, WP:BBALL and WP:CBBALL are disinterested in WP:FAC and guiding articles in that direction.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:54, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
 * - Another user has pointed out some issues with the article, and I have fixed them. For that reason, I thought you might want to take another look at the article. TempleM (talk) 20:14, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I no longer oppose.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:53, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

-- Support after reading through this again and seeing the GAN pass swiftly, I'm happy that this meets the FA criteria. JAG UAR   12:09, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Support - Looks like an article which would attract universal readership. And it's covered most of the personality's life. Can we have something more about the guy's personal life, though? Best, Nairspecht  ( talk ) 15:01, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for supporting. The only real information about his personal life was about his childhood. TempleM (talk) 15:27, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Define "real information", please? Best, Nairspecht  ( talk )
 * He played at The Basketball Tournament (TBT) last summer, but I'm not sure if that's worth mentioning. TempleM (talk) 15:55, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Nah, better leave that out. I was talking about more info about his "relationships", if any. Maybe a sentence or two, if there is anything, that is. Otherwise, this looks sufficient for an FA to me. Best, Nairspecht  ( talk )
 * No, I can't find any information about that, so this should be it. TempleM (talk) 16:16, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I would mention that he played in the Basketball Tournament. Not sure where you would put it on the article though. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 21:24, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * - I added a rather brief section about his time with the Sean Bell All-Stars in the TBT and elsewhere. There's not much to write about it, though. TempleM (talk) 00:05, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
 * ,, - Could anyone please copy edit (and make sure all info is accurate with sources) the personal life section? TempleM (talk) 20:44, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Support - As I said, I only made some minor copy edits at the beginning, did a thorough and comprehensive job. But I'm quite happy to support, the article is well structured, reads well and contains relevant and interesting information. Well done everyone. Scribolt (talk) 06:10, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Comments – Ian Rose asked me to have a look at this article, since there were varying opinions here, and this is what I found:
 * "soon after which he joined the BayHawks." To me, this would read cleaner as "and joined the BayHawks soon after."
 * Remove "the" from "led the NCAA Division I"?
 * Early life: The spaced em dashes should be made unspaced (or be converted to en dashes) per the MoS.
 * Freshman: "by adding one point and two assists in 14 minutes against Bowling Green." In this instance, I see Tony's point about odd-sounding language. How about "by scoring one point and recording (maybe find a better word?) two assists"? On the positive side, I'm not having too much trouble reading the rest of the basketball material.
 * How could December 6 have been his first game if he played on November 20?
 * Remove second "the" from "the third-best in the Conference USA"? Also consider doing the same in the next section, and removing the duplicate wikilink.
 * Junior: Bradley is another repeated link that should be removed. It might be worth checking the rest of the article for any more of these duplicate links.
 * I still see the link here. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 23:46, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Senior: "and frequently appeared on the Blue Demons' starting lineup." "on" → "in".
 * The first four words of "as a point guard he scored a season-best 12 points..." are throwing the structure of the sentence off for me. I don't see why this needs mentioning, since we already know that he plays at point guard.
 * "the team were unable to beat the Wildcats". "were" → "was"?
 * Another "the" in "led the NCAA Division I" could use chopping.
 * Statistics: The note says the stats are from RealGM, but the citation is to ESPN.
 * 2008–2009 season: "Head coach Clay Moser described Clinkscales arrival as a boon to the team". His name should have an apostrophe at the end here.
 * Just noting that I'd remove the s after the apostrophe, since you have a couple similar instances earlier in the article that don't have the extra s. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 23:46, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
 * 2013–2014 season: More spaced em dashes need fixing.
 * 2014–2015 season: You have a double cite to ref 73 after one of the quotes.
 * 2015–2016 season: I found "the Rainmen revived itself" to be confusing. How about changing it to a simpler "the Rainmen reformed under new ownership as the Halifax Hurricanes."?
 * I was also confused how his team went from only having two wins to reaching the playoffs and winning the league title. It might be worthwhile to include a summary sentence on the team's regular season performance, to bridge the gap in narrative.
 * The photo caption here needs updating, as it still indicates that Clinkscales won't play any longer for the Hurricanes.
 * 2016–2017 season: Remove the hyphen after "newly".
 * Wikipedia article aren't supposed to have identical section headings, but I see two headings titled Statistics. You could name one College statistics and the other Professional statistics, which seems like the easiest fix.
 * Personal life: Add "was" before "managed".
 * "In the victory against Team No Excuses in 2015". "the" → "a".
 * Can we expand upon the single-sentence paragraph here, or merge it elsewhere? It's the only stubby element of the article, and it stands out.
 * The all caps in the title of ref 88 should be taken out.
 * My last concern is the usage of the New York Post as a substantial source. While I find their sports coverage entertaining to read, it does tend toward the tabloid side of things, and I've seen its usage discouraged in BLPs before. Much of the content is provides here is quotes, which I'm not too worried about. However, I think the Post isn't a great source for "He rarely studied, often skipped classes, and made friends with the wrong people" in particular. I won't oppose over it, but would like to see the source reviewer sign off on the Post's use to make me feel better before I consider supporting. And consider finding another source to support that one claim, which I wouldn't really trust the Post for. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 23:54, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
 * - I will definitely look at these issues very soon. Also, what do you mean by having the "source reviewer sign off on the Post's use"? TempleM (talk) 02:50, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * It means I want the source reviewer to say the Post is an acceptable source for what it is being used for here. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 14:07, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * - I have addressed all of the concerns you listed. I have deleted the sentence you were somewhat worried about (with the NY Post). Please take a look at the article again and let me know if anything else needs to be edited. TempleM (talk) 15:50, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I left a couple of responses above. It looks like, with the removal of that sentence, that the Post isn't being using for anything too controversial; still, I'd like to see whether a source reviewer has any objections before supporting. Otherwise, I'd have no issue with this being considered a support for purposes of moving the FAC along. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 23:46, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I've fixed those minor issues you pointed out. Could you by any chance message a source reviewer you know to look at this article? TempleM (talk) 15:42, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I added your article to the review request box on FAC talk. That should entice somebody to have a peek at it. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 19:48, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Provisional support – My entire batch of comments has now been taken care of. If the source review checks out, the FAC coordinators can go ahead and consider this a full support. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 00:05, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Image review
Images may benefit from ALT text. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:52, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
 * File:Cliff Clinkscales.png: Free image on Commons and own work, using it to identify the subject in the infobox is fine. Why are there no EXIF data? Not used anywhere else on the web.
 * File:Jamaica Av 168 Pl PM jeh.jpg: Free image on Commons and own work, using it to identify a place of life of the subject. Complete EXIF this time that is also coherent with other uploads from the uploader, used in lower resolution elsewhere on the web.
 * File:East FL SR 40 in Downtown Ocala.jpg: Free image on Commons and own work, using it to identify a place of life of the subject. Complete EXIF, only upload by the uploader. It's been used elsewhere on the web after the upload on Commons.
 * File:On the Lincoln Park Campus of DePaul University in Chicago.JPG: Free image on Commons and own work, using it to identify a place of life of the subject. Complete EXIF, also coherent with other uploads. Artwork in the background is de minimis, not used at full resolution elsewhere on the web.
 * File:RyanCenter.jpg: Free image on Commons and own work, using it to identify a place of work(?) of the subject and an event described in the adjacent section. Complete EXIF coherent with other uploads. Has been used by other websites as well, so seems to me.
 * File:Cliff Clinkscales layup.jpg: Free image on Commons, using it to identify an event described in the adjacent section. Complete EXIF, from Flickr, underwent a Flickr review on Commons. Not used elsewhere on the web at full resolution.
 * File:Scotiabank Centre - EXTERIOR - 091914 - Paul Darrow (3).JPG: Free image on Commons and own work, using it to identify a place of work of the subject. Complete EXIF, sole remnant upload by uploader; another upload was deleted for lacking evidence of permission. Not used at full resolution elsewhere on the web.
 * - Would you say that these images are good to go? TempleM (talk) 18:58, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, the question on the first image is more a curiosity one - lack of EXIF data can indicate an image cribbed off another website (and thus a copyright violation), but it isn't necessarily so. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:15, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Source review - spotchecks not done Coordinator note: Also, Giants above asked about using the New York Post as a source, and if it would be reliable enough. Sarastro1 (talk) 00:01, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Source for birth date? Source for weight?
 * Dead links (a couple are also tagged)
 * Several of your sources have named authors but the citations are missing them
 * FN5: why are there two websites listed?
 * Be consistent in how website names are formatted
 * Network names shouldn't be italicized. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:49, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * - I have fixed the issues with consistency, author names, and italicization. Feel free to go back and make sure. The source for birth date and weight is RealGM, but I am not sure where to put the citation. Also, how do I deal with the dead links without deleting the information that comes from that source? I am not sure what you mean by "two websites listed" as well. TempleM (talk) 03:07, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * If you're not repeating the info in the article body, you can put the citation in the infobox. For dead links, see if you can find an updated version, either on the site or through an archiving service like archive.org. FN5 has "BlueDemonZone.com. Rivals.com. " - it's not clear to me what you're trying to convey by that, especially since in the other citations Rivals.com is treated as a work while here it's presented as a publisher. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:53, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I looked quickly at the two links tagged as dead, and the first (from NJ.com) appears to be a false positive because the link works for me. You can just delete that tag. I had no luck with the NBA.com link, but did find this article with the same title, which may have at least some of the information you need. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 16:30, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * + - I have fixed the dead link and two websites issue. TempleM (talk) 17:19, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Still not seeing a citation for birthdate or weight. Some inconsistencies remain in formatting - for example, FNs 7 and 18 cite the same website but only one of them italicizes it. Network names are still being italicized. Nikkimaria (talk) 17:41, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
 * - I have added citations for birthdate and weight in the intro paragraph. I think I have cleared up all of the formatting issues (with network names as well). If there are still formatting issues, could you please point out the specifics? TempleM (talk) 17:51, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The basic issue is, similar citations should look similar. So we look at FN8, which cites a website, and that website name is not italicized. But then we look at FN11, which also cites a website, and there that website name is italicized. Why the difference? What you should do is decide which parameters will hold which information, and then go through and make sure that decision is consistently applied - that will result in more consistent formatting. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:25, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
 * - Thank you for the explanation. I have gone through the citations again and made the necessary changes. Please let me know if everything looks fine or not. If not, please give me specific examples of citations that need to be fixed. TempleM (talk) 19:43, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Still some issues of this type - FNs 12 and 13 are different, FN51 is missing italics, FN100 has excess italics... Nikkimaria (talk) 20:38, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
 * - I have fixed the first two issues, but I am not sure what you mean by "excess italics." Please let me know ASAP. TempleM (talk) 22:16, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
 * It means there are italics there that shouldn't be - CBC is a publisher/network, not a work. Nikkimaria (talk) 06:17, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * - Fixed. TempleM (talk) 15:40, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Giants: do you have examples of BLP-related discussions for that source? The two articles seem a bit fawning but as you note the material isn't too controversial, and it looks like RSN discussions have been mixed. Nikkimaria (talk) 06:17, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The most contentious part that came from the Post article has already been removed, so that took care of my primary concern for this article. I'd swear I've seen editors say that it wasn't the greatest source for BLPs and tending to agree, but can't remember where. As long as you think it's okay, I'm fine with it. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 16:11, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I completely agree that it isn't the greatest source, but I think it's sufficient for what it's being used for here. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:18, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 14:18, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.