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Cortinarius caperatus

 * Nominator(s): Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

This article is about an esteemed edible mushroom from Europe. Have scraped sources and feel it is as comprehensive as possible for lay readers. Also reads ok and got a going-over at GAN. Anyway, I feel it is within striking distance of F status so have at it. Cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Comments from JM
Hooray! This must be the first mushroom here in a while. Pleased to see it here.
 * I confess I'm sad to see a one-paragraph lead at FAC!
 * added second para. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:48, 25 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Is "free" in the lead jargon?
 * added explanation Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:48, 25 May 2018 (UTC)


 * "Bohemian naturalist Julius Vincenz von Krombholz illustrated it in his Naturgetreue Abbildungen und Beschreibungen der essbaren, schädlichen und verdächtigen Schwämme" Could we have a year? The significance of this may be missed.
 * yes/done. it's a date range. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:40, 21 May 2018 (UTC)


 * "double veil" in the taxonomy section strikes me as jargon.
 * linked now, but probably needs an explanation of some sort... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:43, 21 May 2018 (UTC)


 * "species Rozites (now Cortinarius) meleagris and R. castanella (now Cortinarius subcastanellus)" This, especially with the cryptic link, is a little tricky. How about "species C. meleagris and C. subcastanellus, both formerly of Rozites."
 * yes/done. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:53, 23 May 2018 (UTC)


 * By boss, do you mean an umbo? If so, a link to umbo (mycology) would be good.
 * yes/done. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:53, 23 May 2018 (UTC)


 * If it's a highly regarded edible, perhaps "choice" would be preferable for the mycobox? Also, why the details about the taste after cooking in the description section? Taste in the field is relevant there, but probably not in the kitchen!
 * yes/done. moved latter bit. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:05, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

I suspect there may be a little more to say; I'll dig out my guidebooks and see if they have anything to add! Josh Milburn (talk) 20:00, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
 * yes, I did scour and scour....and found much less than I expected for such a species! Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:58, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Ok, a few possibly useful comments from some of my guidebooks...
 * ISBN 0855335009, p. 34: Favours acid soils in continental Europe.
 * already had a note on soils but is helpful and has been added. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:13, 24 May 2018 (UTC)


 * ISBN 9780753718650, p. 94: Also mentions acid soils.
 * ISBN 9780007232246 gives the common name "the gypsy". As does ISBN 9780007466481, p. 322, which also notes that it's in subgenus Cortinarius.
 * has been added. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:13, 24 May 2018 (UTC)


 * ISBN 9780002200127 has some technical details. "[Cap cuticle] a cutis with hyphae 5-25um diameter. Pigment epimembranal, encrusting." It also mentions that it is readily recognisable because of the "whitish frost-like veil and white ring". pp. 456-7.
 * the microscopic stuff I think is beyond intrest of laypeople but added note on veil - we had the structure in but did not use the right word. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:13, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

I have at least one more worth looking at, but it's at the bottom of a pile of books I don't want to disturb at this time of night. There may also be some subtle differences in description, but I wasn't really looking for that. Josh Milburn (talk) 21:10, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * May have miss-typed some of those ISBNs... Any problems, let me know, but need to go now... Josh Milburn (talk) 21:13, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Great/thanks! I'll get started on these as this has been difficult to get info for.. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:10, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Cas, how's this going? Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:45, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Umm...the only book of 's I didn't add was the one that repeated info as it mentions acid soils and about mushrooms of Europe as well (I nabbed the one just before it). Have I missed something else? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 17:17, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delay. I'm happy that my comments have been resolved; I'll have to look again before I can say I support, though. I certainly do not oppose. Josh Milburn (talk) 06:54, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * no problem. Am sure if you see something worth fixing or improving, you'll let us know! cheers - Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:23, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Quick thought: I think it'd be useful to explain what a "double veil" is, though it probably belongs in the description section rather than the taxonomy section. Josh Milburn (talk) 20:51, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * good point . I have expanded it. The genesis of it is in the taxonomy as it relates to its classification, but the description covers it anyway Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:28, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Leaning support. I'm reluctant, as I just feel there should be more on a highly regarded edible with an eyebrow-raising name, but I am forced to agree that there just doesn't seem to be! Josh Milburn (talk) 07:53, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
 * thanks/I know - I have been surprised how little there is actually published on this mushroom Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:12, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

From FunkMonk

 * Some authors are not presented at all (not referring to Persoon here, I see from last time why we might want to avoid nationality, hehe). FunkMonk (talk) 20:07, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * done now. I was emboldened after discussion at the last FAC and went with "South African" for Persoon Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:21, 23 May 2018 (UTC)


 * "a name thought quite apt given its wandering like a gypsy between genera" Thought by who? Seems a bit specific, since I doubt that's why it was called that in the first place... Is this idea retroactively applied in light of the taxonomic history, or is that really why it was called that? Also, I wonder if Gypsy should be linked there.
 * removed per below. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:50, 23 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I wonder if this image or something like it could be used. It looks very different from the photo in the taxobox, which might have some significance? If so, could be mentioned in the image captions.
 * I'm not sure that is correctly identified.... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:26, 23 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Chanterelles is duplinked.
 * removed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:21, 23 May 2018 (UTC)


 * "However, picked mushrooms are often infested with maggots" Does this happen before r after they're picked?
 * Before - I tried to clarify. does that help?


 * "isotopes of caesium", "potassium", Link all.
 * linked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:07, 24 May 2018 (UTC)


 * "is a highly esteemed", "highly regarded" Source? Mention in article body? Also seems a bit much for both of these in the short intro.
 * I changed it to this. The Persson book is the cite that covers the first two sentences of Edibility section Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:32, 24 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Support - looks good to me now. FunkMonk (talk) 01:23, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Support and comments from Jim
I can't see much to criticise that hasn't been picked up by previous reviewers, just a couple of comments Jimfbleak - talk to me?  12:27, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Christian &mdash;Why the Anglicisation of Afrikaans "Christiaan"?
 * no reason/changed. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:50, 23 May 2018 (UTC)


 * granny′s nightcap&mdash;perhaps give the Finnish original too if known?
 * sadly not in source. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:50, 23 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Common names include the gypsy mushroom,[13] a name thought quite apt given its wandering like a gypsy between genera&mdash;I don't like much about this sentence. Most of it is, as far as I can see, one author's wry comment, rather a widespread opinion. Hardly a fact anyway. Also the conjunction with the common name gives the impression of an etymology, although that's obviously not what you're suggesting. A real etymology seems elusive. OED has "gipsy-bonnet" a woman's hat or bonnet with large side-flaps, but there's nothing to link this to the fungus.
 * removed it as misleading, and only one person's whimsy Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:50, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Image review


 * File:Reifpilz-1.jpg needs a US PD tag. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:40, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
 * added. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:09, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Sources review

 * Ref 7: Language of source should be given
 * added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:31, 4 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Ref 9: Year?
 * added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:31, 4 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Ref 10: "British museun" s/b "British Museum"
 * fixed (I think?) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:31, 4 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Ref 17: 13-digit isbn formats should be standard. Compare this with 19, and check others
 * all converted to 13 digits and spaced Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:03, 5 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Ref 20: Publisher missing
 * added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:35, 4 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Ref 25: I'm getting repeated timeouts. The fault may be temporary, but please check
 * timing out for me to. Has doi so just removed link Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:31, 4 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Ref 32: Gives message: "This page cannot be found".
 * fixed url Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:33, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Otherwise, sources are in good order and of appropriate quality and reliability. Brianboulton (talk) 20:43, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Support Comments from Laser brain
Great work overall—I can scarcely find anything to grumble about.
 * Is MOS:SEASON a concern in such articles? Obviously they occur only in the northern hemisphere so there doesn't seem to be any danger of confusion, but I'm unsure what the standard is for biological articles.
 * given most of the readership is in England and North America, there is a tendency to push for "southern hemisphere" qualifier. It strikes me as a tad overinclusive to write "northern hemisphere" every time here. It is clearly a northern hemisphere thing Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:19, 20 June 2018 (UTC)


 * You use flavour and taste synonymously... I don't believe they mean the same thing in culinary terms.
 * I flavoured them all. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:19, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Awfully nitpicky but I don't feel like I'd be doing my job otherwise. -- Laser brain  (talk)  19:48, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
 * being thorough is fine by me. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:19, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Cheers! -- Laser brain  (talk)  11:28, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 07:03, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
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