Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Cycling at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Women's road race/archive1


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The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 22:58, 9 May 2009.

Cycling at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Women's road race

 * Nominator(s): Tone 16:15, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

This article basically follows the standard, set by Cycling at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Men's road race - a FA. The article has passed the GA review and I believe it meets the criteria for a FA now. Thank you for your consideration. Tone 16:15, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Tech. Review
 * Dabs check out fine with the dab finder tool.
 * There are no dead external links
 * Ref formatting -- The ref name Preview is used more than once to name a ref, it should only name 1 ref (found using WP:REFTOOLS) -- T ru  c o   20:41, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I fixed it by renaming one of them, and renaming all references to that reference. (If you know what I mean...) EdgeNavidad (talk)
 * Yeah I do ;)-- T ru  c o   19:08, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments -
 * Current ref 11 (Henry Sanderson...) is lacking a publisher.
 * Fixed. --EdgeNavidad (talk)


 * Please spell out abbreviations in the notes. Yes, they are linked, but you don't want your readers to leave your article, they might never return.
 * I can't find what this refers to. Should we spell out BBC? The only links that look like abbreviations are AM (ABC Radio) and AOL, but these are the official names. --EdgeNavidad (talk)
 * I noticed the "OC Press office" publisher. Ealdgyth - Talk 01:41, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Together with all the other links to the official website, I changed the publisher to "The Beijing Organizing Committee for the Games of the XXIX Olympiad", as that is the name the website gives copyright. --EdgeNavidad (talk) 10:53, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Current ref 22 (Mat Mackay...) is lacking a publisher.
 * Fixed. --EdgeNavidad (talk)


 * Current ref 27 (Staff and agencies...) is lacking a last access date.
 * Fixed. (it was in the template but without parameter, but I accessed the link and it still worked so I replaced today's date.) --EdgeNavidad (talk)
 * Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:54, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you! --EdgeNavidad (talk) 15:45, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Comments -
 * "where Nicole Cook proved the strongest." Seems like something that would be found in a post-race news story and not an encyclopedic article.
 * Changed to "they were together until the sprint, won by Nicole Cooke."--EdgeNavidad (talk)


 * "By winning, Cooke earned the 200th gold medal for Great Britain, as well as the first medal for Britain at the 2008 Olympics." "as well as" → "and". Makes it less wordy.
 * Changed to "Cooke earned the 200th gold medal for Great Britain and the first medal for Britain at the 2008 Olympics." Even less wordy. --EdgeNavidad (talk)


 * Qualification: Move the full name of the UCI to its first use. That one stopped me cold for a second.
 * Done.--EdgeNavidad (talk)


 * "which was taken from the countries ranked 17 to 24th in reversed order". Replace 17 with 17th?
 * Done. Btw: is it "reverse order" or "reversed order"?--EdgeNavidad (talk)


 * "The maximum quota of the event was set 67 cyclists". Add "at" before the number.
 * Done.--EdgeNavidad (talk)

That's all I have time for now, but I'll take a look at the rest later. 204.210.154.189 (talk) 17:43, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Course: "with the Badaling Pass gaining..." is a noun plus -ing sentence structure. To find out more about this hard-to-spot prose error, including how to fix it, please read this guide.
 * Has already been changed by someone else. --EdgeNavidad (talk)
 * That's my forgetful friend up there. :-)  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 17:44, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Here are a few more prose issues I saw later in the article. Most of these are from the race section, where the most work is needed.
 * Cadel Evans could be linked in the third paragraph of Course.
 * Has been done. --EdgeNavidad (talk)
 * Race: Comma after Natalia Boyarskaya.
 * Check! --EdgeNavidad (talk)
 * A citation is sorely needed for the criticism of the course's marking.
 * I added citations, but they do not refer to other occasions where confusion arose. Perhaps this should be removed. --EdgeNavidad (talk) 13:54, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If sources can't be found for it, then it should probably be removed. Can't imagine that no one in the media would have mentioned it, though.  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 03:04, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I've limited the text in the article to the Boyarskaya incident, as I didn't see any references that talked about marking more generally. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 00:27, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * "The chase for Boyarskaya was led by Christine Thorburn, bringing Boyarskaya's lead down to 34 seconds...". To improve the flow of this sentence, try something like, "The chase for Boyarskaya was led by Christine Thorburn, who brought her lead down to 34 seconds...".
 * Check! --EdgeNavidad (talk)
 * "with 22 km caught Boyarskaya and formed a three rider breakaway." > "caught Boyarskaya with 22 km remaining and formed a three rider breakaway."
 * Has already been changed. --EdgeNavidad (talk)
 * "With 7 kilometers remaining". This is the only kilometer use fully spelled out, and it doesn't have a miles equivalent.  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 02:21, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Changed! --EdgeNavidad (talk) 13:39, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Question: In qualification, should it be "providing that these athletes qualified" or "provided that these athletes qualified"?
 * Fixed. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 00:28, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Comments - (I am one of the main contributors to his article, but I think I can still make comments here...)
 * In conditions: "Thunderstorms, resulting in persistently heavy rain and strong winds, resulted in" A different word should be chosen?
 * Oops. Fixed. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 22:29, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * In race: "The poor marking of the designated race course led to similar confusion on several other occasions and criticism after the fact." I guess a source should be given for this. --EdgeNavidad (talk) 11:51, 14 April 2009 (UTC) Partly solved, partly addressed in another comment.--EdgeNavidad (talk) 13:54, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

comment - The full classification of racers would be copyrighted property of the IOC, It either needs slimmed down or a fair use rationale Fasach Nua (talk) 19:51, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * How can the results be copyrighted? I seriously doubt this is an issue here. --Tone 20:15, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * To get this list an olympics games had to be organised, and I would say the organising of this event would not be devoid of all three of skill, labour and judgment. The site referenced gives the claim "Copyright The Beijing Organizing Committee for the Games of the XXIX Olympiad" Fasach Nua (talk) 21:05, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * This still does not convince me. I raised the question at Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems. --Tone 21:42, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * From that discussion, it followed that the results are facts that can not be copyrighted. --EdgeNavidad (talk) 10:53, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

comment - Images should be alternated left and right per WP:MOS Fasach Nua (talk) 19:51, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. --Tone 20:15, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Apparently, the previous form is better according to WP:ACCESS. I am fine with that as well. --Tone 20:38, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

query - The title name is very long and unwieldy, I assume this has come form the wikiproject MOS, but is there not a shorter alternative? Fasach Nua (talk) 19:51, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's long but this is the standard naming for Olympic articles. See Men's race also. --Tone 20:15, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * My school teacher would often ask if everyone jumped off a bridge would you jump as weel? Fasach Nua (talk) 21:05, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * This is not the case, this naming was agreed on in the project. The other possibility of the name would be Women's cycling road race at the 2008 Summer Olympics what is just the same. Any attempt to shorten it would create confusion. --Tone 21:42, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, consistency is key. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:00, 13 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Support. All my comments have been addressed and this article feels to be FA standard. Parutakupiu (talk) 22:23, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

I left a note in the middle of my comments above; was it missed? The nominator hasn't edited since April 24, which is slightly concerning to me.  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 23:53, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I think I've addressed that note of yours now. I don't know why Tone hasn't edited recently, but I'm willing to pitch in and try to address any other issues. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 00:27, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I am extremely busy these days so I don't have almost any time for WP... Thank you for fixing the issue, are there any more concerns that I've missed? --Tone 07:36, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Only some comments from Fasach Nua that appear solved to me. I contacted him/her some time ago to ask if he/she thinks these comments have been dealt with properly, but have received no answer sofar. I see no other open issues now, but I don't know what the FA-procedure is and how long we should wait for other comments. --EdgeNavidad (talk) 15:42, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Comments
 * There is no source for the fact that the extra Chinese and Austrian spots were given away, and why.
 * Added source showing that Chinese and Austrian spots went to South Africa and New Zealand. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 18:40, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably need a citation for "Other riders, such as Katherine Bates (who did not finish), prepared by wearing cooling vests before the race and stocked up on ice packs during it."
 * Added source for that. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 18:40, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not entirely happy with the prose. I've done a ce on some of it, but I think the article needs another pass.
 * I've taken another pass through the prose. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 19:25, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I think I'd switch the order of "pre-race favorites" and conditions, and I might do away with the subheadings, as each of those sections is pretty short.
 * I agree. I've done it. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 18:40, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I feel like we are missing a few sentences of background. For example, this was the Xth time that the women's race was included.  Are there any Olympics-over-Olympics comparisons for number of competitors or distance?  How did the distance generally measure up to other women's road race events (longer, shorter, about the same)?
 * I've added some of that background. It was 7th time the race was run, it was the longest to date (126 km to 119.7 km), and the number of qualified women was the same as the previous year, though the one dropout affected the actual competitors. I've had trouble finding anything that specifically does a longitudinal analysis, but did compare the distances and competitors from prior races and did cite references for those numbers. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 19:09, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That is useful background, but some of it only appears in the lead. I've added a new first sentence to the QUalification section to tie it all together a bit better. Karanacs (talk) 14:34, 8 May 2009 (UTC)Karanacs (talk) 15:45, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.