Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Cyclone Waka/archive2


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by SandyGeorgia 01:20, 16 April 2011.

Cyclone Waka

 * Nominator(s): Cyclonebiskit (talk) 00:34, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Renominating Cyclone Waka after previously failed FAC attempt. There were no outstanding comments from the previous nomination to address so no changes have been made. As always, all thoughts and comments are welcome and encouraged. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 00:34, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. I was really surprised when it failed last time, despite no objections. The article is very well-written, and all of my earlier comments have been addressed. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 00:35, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * The following references only need one p. for page numbering: 42, 43, and 44. Crowz  RSA  23:37, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed, thanks. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 00:21, 31 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - same as my previous support. Juliancolton (talk) 00:23, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * References still check out, no dab links to page. Add alt text to the images, please… Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 07:55, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I thought alt text is no longer part of the FA criteria? Juliancolton (talk) 10:38, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * FA Criteria page doesn't mention alt text: "Media. It has images and other media where appropriate, with succinct captions, and acceptable copyright status. Images included follow the image use policy. Non-free images or media must satisfy the criteria for inclusion of non-free content and be labeled accordingly." Cyclonebiskit (talk) 15:51, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Surely alt text ought to be part of the criteria. Rjwilmsi  10:20, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * That discussion belongs at WT:FAC or WT:WIAFA; for the moment it's not part of the criteria, so the nominator is not required to add it in this article. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:42, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The reason I ask this is because the caption for the second track map is far from satisfactory. Why is it in there? If it is just to show how close the storm got to a particular island, then say so. If it is just to describe how it meandered between islands, that can be done via alt text. Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 20:09, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I added a tidbit to the graphic to give its importance. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 21:16, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Images are unproblematic, although you might consider briefly indicating in the caption what the colours refer to in the storm paths. Also, can you give the names of the images on this site, to make them easier to find? Nikkimaria (talk) 14:01, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. I still think that it shouldn't be too hard to add the alt text, but meh. Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 17:09, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The key for the colors is located in the image summary. I specified the links for the two images as well. Thanks for the comments. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 15:51, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Sources comment. In the General references, I don't think that the Tonga Ministry of Agriculture can properly be described as the report's "author". As te government agency responsible for the report it is effectively the publisher, rather than "Government Printer". If you were to delete the author field and make the ministry the publisher, this would be consistent with the other two general references. Brianboulton (talk) 15:45, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Changed the ministry to publisher and removed Government Printer. Thanks for the comments Cyclonebiskit (talk) 15:51, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I found a number of URLs for the NZ Herald stories, so added them in. There was also one archive link that I moved to archiveurl, and gave the original url as that's the standard way to do it. I couldn't find the BBC story on their website, maybe they deleted it or the title is not exact; I wonder whether it should be BBC News rather than BBC? Rjwilmsi  10:37, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks a lot for finding those links Rj; I got all of the non-url information through LexisNexis which doesn't provide stable urls. I've also changed the publisher to BBC news for that one ref. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 12:10, 3 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - there doesnt seem to be anything wrong with the article, though i do wonder if Tropical Cyclone Formation Alert should be in lower caps.Jason Rees (talk) 19:56, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'm just going by the article for Tropical Cyclone Formation Alert. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 19:59, 6 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Comments by Sasata (talk) 21:41, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * "a native species of bats lost roughly 80%" bats -> bat
 * Corrected Cyclonebiskit (talk) 15:08, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * "According to a study by Janet Franklin et al., storms similar in intensity to Waka, on average, strike Tonga once every 33 years." To what does "on average" refer: the intensity of Waka, or its 33-year recurrence? Why is this not mentioned in the main article body?
 * On average, refers to both intensity and its 33 year re-occurrence rate.Jason Rees (talk) 01:29, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Currently the sentence seems tagged on to the end of the lead. I think the article could benefit from 2 or 3 sentences about the cyclone history of the area. This gives the reader an idea of the meterological background, and an indication about whether residents would be prepared for this sort of natural disaster. I'm sure a couple of relevant sentences could be extracted from Franklin et al. (2004). Sasata (talk) 06:38, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I should of clarified but i decided that the second half of your comment should be left for CB, especially as i haven't actually seen the article.Jason Rees (talk) 18:40, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * "Although warm sea surface temperatures of 30 °C (86 °F) in the region favored development, the southern trough developed substantially slower than the northern one." The favoured development of what?
 * Reworded - A TC.Jason Rees (talk) 01:29, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * "By December 27, the system entered a region of lesser shear, favoring significant development." development of what?
 * Reworded - The system.Jason Rees (talk) 01:29, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * "The JTWC assessed the storm to have attained similar one-minute sustained winds upon peaking; however, this was due to discrepancies between the two centres." What two centers? It hasn't been discussed that the storm had two centres. What are the discrepancies?
 * Warning centers not the storms circulation center. The discrepancies are basically the one of the warning centers either overestimated or underestimated the strength of Waka since 1 min winds are generally meant to be higher than 10 min winds, and in this case they were the same.Jason Rees (talk) 23:42, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * "Waka gradually weakened on January 1, 2002 as it entered a less favorable region." Less favorable for what?
 * TC Sustainability.Jason Rees (talk) 02:13, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


 * A few times the intensity of the storm is compared to "gale-force" (or "hurricane-force") winds; is there a link that would explain what speed this is?
 * Ive added a couple of links.Jason Rees (talk) 02:13, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Two consecutive sentences start with "According to"
 * Reworded Cyclonebiskit (talk) 15:08, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * "In Ha'apai, one person died from cardiac arrest as brought on by the storm." Is the sentence implying that the storm caused the heart attack?
 * Yes, storm related stress has often resulted in cardiac arrest fatalities. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 15:08, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * "… estimated __ up to 2.5 m (8.2 ft) …" insert "to be" or similar
 * Added.Jason Rees (talk) 02:13, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * "… was sent in accordance with the FRANZ Agreement, enacted in 1992." Perhaps include a few words about what this agreement is, so the reader doesn't have to go to another article to find out
 * Isn't that the point of having the links, to lessen the amount of somewhat off-topic information included in the article? Maybe that's just me...I've added a tidbit about it to make things easy. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 15:08, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * "Hundreds of tents and tarpaulins were brought in by an Australian AC-130 to help with the recovery process." Why is the aircraft type given? Why not for the New Zealand aircraft in the next sentence?
 * Guess I forgot to add the second one. It's in there now. The type is included to clear up how the large amount of supplies were delivered. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 15:08, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * "US$39.2 million in international aid, most of which was dedicated to rehabilitation." What kind of rehabilitation? Mental health? Infrastructure? Wildlife? Drug?
 * Clarified it (Infrastructure) Cyclonebiskit (talk) 15:11, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * "In early-March" why the hyphen?
 * Removed.Jason Rees (talk) 02:13, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * link United Methodist Committee on Relief
 * Linked.Jason Rees (talk) 02:13, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * please review the usage of "due to" in the article; "due to" is adjectival, to be used with nouns; in some instances "owing to" (adverbial) is more appropriate
 * Corrected one instance of "due to" to "owing to" Cyclonebiskit (talk) 15:18, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * there is no point (i.e., redundant) linking a journal article title to the same location the doi goes
 * Is there any reason aside from minimal redundancy to not keep it there? I can't speak for everyone but, I prefer having the link where the title is rather than at the end. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 15:08, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * links for refs #8, 9, 13, 14 (etc., all links to ReliefWeb) are not functional
 * All sorted - they were dead due to the fact that Reliefweb has introduced a new website.Jason Rees (talk) 22:54, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the thorough review Sasata, I believe I've gotten to the remaining comments (Thanks JR for helping me out with them). Cyclonebiskit (talk) 15:18, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
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