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David Bentley Hart

 * Nominator(s): Jjhake (talk) 02:08, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

This article is about a living American writer, philosopher, religious studies scholar, critic, and Eastern Orthodox theologian born in 1965 noted for his Baroque prose and provocative rhetoric. He has translated the New Testament for Yale University Press and been criticized by other Christian thinkers who consider him heterodox in a variety of ways. Jjhake (talk) 02:08, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

First-time nomination
Image review
 * Hi, and welcome to FAC. Just noting that as a first time nominator at FAC, this article will need to pass a source to text integrity spot check to be considered for promotion. Good luck with the nomination. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:48, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Is the source to text integrity spot check something that someone else will complete automatically, or is it something that another Wikipedia editor needs to complete as they have time and interest? Three other editors provided reviews recently: two peer reviews and one GA review. I could ask some of them if they would be willing to complete a source to text integrity spot check if that would be helpful. Jjhake (talk) 13:54, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * File:David_Bentley_Hart_3_Nov_2022_Interview_cropped.png is described as an interview crop - where is it cropped from?
 * File:David_Bentley_Hart_and_Roland.jpg: has the permission been verified by VRT? Nikkimaria (talk) 03:18, 13 March 2023 (UTC)


 * I recorded this interview with Hart and posted the video content in two places. Most of it is on a video course subscription service where I am the director. A little of it, I posted to my personal YouTube account. Hart shared links to both of these from his Substack newsletter here.
 * No, I'm not familiar with VRT, should I send them a copy of the email that Hart sent releasing the David_Bentley_Hart_and_Roland.jpg image into public domain? Jjhake (talk) 11:55, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Update: In case helpful here, I've just sent a note to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org that included a full copy of the emails between Hart and myself in which Hart released File:David_Bentley_Hart_and_Roland.jpg into the public domain. Jjhake (talk) 13:29, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Further update regarding Roland image (File:David_Bentley_Hart_and_Roland.jpg): Alfred Neumann, a volunteer with with Wikimedia Commons, does not consider my request to David Hart (that he "release this image into the public domain") to be adequate, and I have put David Hart directly in contact with Alfred Neumann in the hopes of getting this verified by VRT. --Jjhake (talk) 17:47, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * David Hart forwarded me Ticket#2023031410014384 that he got in response as he wrote separately to Wikimedia Common about releasing this David_Bentley_Hart_and_Roland.jpg image file. I'll hope to be able to confirm soon. --Jjhake (talk) 22:28, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you the note about the need for VRT verification for File:David_Bentley_Hart_and_Roland.jpg. This is now in place. --Jjhake (talk) 12:22, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Oppose I took a quick spin through (not even an in-depth review), and saw the following problems:
 * SC
 * "writer, philosopher, religious studies scholar, critic, and Eastern Orthodox theologian": too long and involved
 * "noted for", "known for": these are a jarring way to provide information
 * "Born and raised in Howard County, Maryland": Way too detailed for the lead
 * "a 2nd edition": second, not 2nd
 * The lead overall comes across as a bit hagiographic
 * WP:LQ is something you need to take note of (as well as sorting out the curly quotes that appear frequently)
 * One sentence paragraphs are not good
 * blockquote are for quotes longer than c. 40 words
 * Do we really need to know his wife "owned a soft toy sheep whom she named Beauchamp Cholmondeley Featherstonhaugh." – and if we do, why is this a quote?
 * WP:ELLIPSES is also something you need to take note of
 * some odd capitalisation

I'm going to suggest withdrawing and giving it a good copy edit prior to trying again - SchroCat (talk) 19:30, 17 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Extremely helpful feedback. Thank you. This doesn't sound like copy edit work that would require much time. I agree with and could implement the bulk of what you note fairly quickly. This has recently had a GA review and two peer reviews, including by User:Gerda Arendt with some FAC experience. With a little help from these other editors, I think this could be cleaned up shortly. However, I'm new to FAC, and if withdrawing and coming back when cleaned up is best, I'm obviously glad to follow whatever path is prescribed as the best practice. --Jjhake (talk) 20:14, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * When you say that it won’t take much time, I’ll stress that my comments were from a quick spin, not a full review. Others may differ in their opinion, but this is mine. - SchroCat (talk) 21:08, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, as other's weigh in and as I have the time, I'll start working through the feedback here that seems most straight-forward to me. More of a full review would be a great help as well, of course, regardless of the FAC status. Thank you. Jjhake (talk) 21:28, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I've made an effort to address the very helpful list of issues from you. Regardless of this FAC process, if you or anyone that you might recommend can give a more complete critique and edit, it would be a great help. Thank you. Jjhake (talk) 11:18, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I do have a specific question and let me know if this is not the place. Ed Simon writing for the Los Angeles Review of Books in 2022 said that Hart has "thousands of essays, reviews, and papers", and I use this in the lead while only citing further down within the article body. I'd estimate that Hart has well over one thousand essays, reviews, and papers, but "thousands" seems like an exaggeration. What’s the best solution? Cut this specific from the lead? Jjhake (talk) 11:41, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Coord note -- This nom has stalled, with an outstanding suggestion for withdrawal, so I'll be archiving it shortly. I know this went through peer review, so my suggestion moving forward is to consider the FAC mentoring scheme to assist with any future nomination. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 17:27, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 17:37, 31 March 2023 (UTC)