Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Debora Green/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by GrahamColm 20:41, 2 October 2012.

Debora Green

 * Nominator(s): A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 02:34, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

This is my first time at FAC, so I apologize in advance for any small bobbles. Debora Green is an American woman convicted of murdering two of her children by setting fire to the family home. The article has had a GA review and a thorough copyediting, and I think it's ready for the next step. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 02:34, 2 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment - Without reading through the whole article, I do feel the need to note that that lede is quite long. I would suggest trimming it down to no more than two or three paragraphs; I think you could do this easily without compromising on what has been summarised so far. The blow-by-blow account of the fire and its aftermath is not needed, and could really be reduced to a handful of sentences without a detrimental effect on the article. Evanh2008 (talk&#124;contribs) 23:15, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Ledes are one of my weak spots, as I tend to write them very short. I actually bulked this one up substantially a few weeks ago with the expectation that FAC would require a longer lede on an article 63k long. Here are a couple possible other, shorter versions: shorter biography/backstory, shorter section about the crime/aftermath, shorter everything. My preference would be the "shorter everything" version, but which do you feel summarises the article content best? A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 17:33, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, "shorter everything" looks to be the way to go. Other than that, great work! Evanh2008 (talk&#124;contribs) 04:30, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * New lede put in place. Thank you for your comments! A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 15:14, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Source review - spotchecks not done
 * FN8: formatting
 * Be consistent in whether newspaper citations include publishers
 * FN45-48: italicization. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:31, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * All fixed. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 17:35, 5 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Cautious support Comment  on comprehensiveness and prose - assuming good faith on review of all possible sources. Am not familiar with topic so cannot exclude issues others bring up. looking promising. I read through this earlier on my android. One thing that struck me - is there any more detail anywhere on Green's psychological profile or discussion of it? Also the aftermath, is there any discussion of whether she has any relationship with her daughter? Are there any other analyses of the story not yet covered or included? much betterCasliber (talk · contribs) 14:37, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
 * See here for a diff of the changes I've made today. In addition to some minor cleanup tweaks that happened to get caught today, here's what I've done to address your comments:
 * I've added a discussion of what various sources say about her psychology. I'm hoping to find one more source to add, but for the moment this is all that's available.
 * I can find no reliable sources discussing Green's current relationship with her daughter, beyond a mention that Kate attended a 2005 hearing regarding Green's request for a new trial. I suspect this is by design and that Kate is not much enamored of the press these days, though I have a few feelers out just in case I've missed a mention.
 * The only other notable analysis of the Green case I've been able to locate discussed it in the context of bioterrorism; I've added that to the "In media" section. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 19:15, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Cas, if you (or anyone else) would like to spotcheck, I can provide PDFs of most of the sources (notable exception being the Rule book, which I don't have in a shareable digital format). Please just let me know :) A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 21:02, 13 September 2012 (UTC)


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