Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Dreaming of You (album)/archive2


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 14:14, 3 May 2011.

Dreaming of You (album)

 * Nominator(s): AJona1992 (talk) 17:34, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because an editor has fixed prose errors that kept the article from being passed as a "GA" and "FA". I have expanded and fixed grammar errors as much as I could do. If there are any more concerns please let me know and I will try my best to fix them. AJona1992 (talk) 17:34, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: I've fixed the formatting of your nomination - you seem to have edited the material above "please don't edit anything above here". Nikkimaria (talk) 18:41, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Please forgive me about that. Thanks for fixing it for me :) AJona1992 (talk) 18:49, 28 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Dab/EL Check - There are two dead links and a dab link in the article. GamerPro64 (talk) 19:53, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I came across that, however, I can't find which citation is it so I know where to replace it. If someone can tag the ones as "deadlink" it would be helpful for me to quickly find the sources (knowing theres more out there) so I can get this situated. AJona1992 (talk) 19:56, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. GamerPro64 (talk) 20:04, 28 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Fixed - I fixed the first deadlink, the second I deleted it since there are two other sources that were there. AJona1992 (talk) 20:13, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - you've done some good work on this article, but I still don't feel it meets the FA criteria
 * "Throughout her interviews, Selena stated that the album was going to be released sometime in 1994. Selena was questioned by many of her fans and interviewers about the album's release date; however, following the release of Amor Prohibido, she stated that the album was still being developed." - source?
 * You've got both one-sentence and huge paragraphs - try to find a happy medium
 * WP:MOS edits needed - WP:HYPHEN/WP:DASH, WP:OVERLINK, etc
 * What is considered a "major" crossover?
 * This article's prose has improved, but it could use further copy-editing for grammar, flow and clarity. Some examples: "During a lunch break in 1994, Selena began crying due to the pressures of the press about her album to Jose Behar", "everyone in the world is saliently asleep", "generates influences of '80s synthpop, electro and fast Rock song"
 * Make sure that the wording is neutral and avoids colloquialisms and informal tone
 * Reference formatting needs to be cleaned up - make sure everything is consistent and includes all the required info. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:27, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note - I have fixed the ones you specifically asked. For your last question, are you asking me to delete the ones that aren't in use (e.g. dui, date, author name). Which sentences are you referring to and what do you mean by "medium"? AJona1992 (talk) 20:59, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Oppose The article fails at least points 1a, 1c, 2c and 3 of WP:WIAFA. I know you've put in a great deal of work to this article, but it still needs more, particularly on the prose. I know you've been told this before, and you've tried to sort it, but I really think you need help from someone else. A few examples of issues:
 * "Vibe stated that the album was a brief recap of her cumbia flavored, Tex-Mex excellent poignant glimpse of the path the album was taking at the time of its release."
 * Vibe should be in italics.
 * Vibe didn't write the review, Ed Morales did.
 * The sentence is an extremely close paraphrase of the source material (and a copyright violation); it needs either to be substantially rewritten in your own words, or presented as a direct quote.
 * In what I presume is an attempt to avoid copyright violation, you've removed one or two words which makes the sentence awkward and difficult to understand.
 * "Los Angeles Times placed the album number one of their top ten albums of 1995."
 * The Los Angeles Times
 * I can't see in the source where it says the album was "number one of their top ten albums of 1995". It seems to be saying something different.
 * "While Behar thrived for his plans into action, SBK Records prepared Selena with experienced music producers who head-geared the entire project."
 * I'm not sure what "thrived for his plans into action" means, or "head-geared" in this context.
 * "It's lyrics is driven about a women who is being captivated and controlled by her partner."
 * Its has no possessive apostrophe
 * Lyrics is plural
 * "driven about"?
 * At Manual of Style (music samples), it states that non-free samples should be "10% of the length of the original song up to a maximum of 30 seconds" File:Selena-DreamingOfYou-wiki.ogg is 34 seconds long, File:Selena 06 Missing My Baby Dreaming of You.ogg is 35 seconds long, File:Selena - Only Love.ogg is 31 seconds long
 * The reference currently at #76 says "Patoski page 187". Not only is this stylistically inconsistent (compared to eg. "p. 144" in #18), there is no other mention of a Patoski in the sources, so I have no idea what this source is.

Sorry, but this appears to be far from being GA standard still, let alone FA. -- Beloved Freak  10:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Why is it closing? I'm still working on fixing the issues that Belovedfreak has written. AJona1992 (talk) 17:25, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Note I have fixed all issues that Belovedfreak was kind to enough to address here. I also added a "Further Reading" section to identify the two books that I had used in the article for other editors to know what "Patoski Page 187" etc., is about. I have reduced the time length that WP:MUSICSAMPLES identifies for length maximum. Like all other updated versions, it may take up to an hour for the samples to play the their new versions. If there is anything else that needs to be addressed please do so here. Thanks, AJona1992 (talk) 18:11, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
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