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E. E. Cummings
Self-nomination. I've put a lot of work into this article, probably moreso than any other before, and it in all likelihood exemplifies my best work here. I've taken the article from little more than a blurb to what I think is a fine, expansive, polished article. I think I've done a passable job of maintaining a neutral point-of-view and balancing out praises of Cummings with criticisms. This article is also well-illustrated in my estimation, with seven images (six of which are PD-US, btw). That said, I am open to any and all suggestions. There's always room for improvement. BLANKFAZE | (&#1095;&#1090;&#1086;??) 19:18, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Object for the moment, most of the images uploaded by Blankfaze seem to lack proper attribution and tagging, must therefore be presumed to be copyvios. Fawcett5 20:00, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC) Also, there is virtually no narrative for almost 1/3 of Cummings life, the period from 1932-1952. Fawcett5 21:17, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Hmm, all images are tagged... I don't get it. BLANKFAZE | (&#1095;&#1090;&#1086;??) 20:12, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, its true that you slapped a PD tag on them, but every image has since been notated by others. You didn't indicate WHERE they came from online, the photographer, or the date of publication, so we're left to take your word that they are PD. By the way, copyright doesn't date from the moment the photo was snapped, but from when it was published, so just because the image is from before a certain date is no guarantee that it is PD. Moreover, you didn't indicate a rationale for your fair use claim for the one photo not on commons. Fawcett5 20:40, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Let me elaborate on the images: the six images on commons are , that is, they are in the public domain in the United States, but not necessarily elsewhere.  There are issues at commons as to whether they belong on commons or not because it's not 100% certain that they are 100% free in all countries.  And, by the way, I'm well aware of the copyright law you mentioned. <b style="font-size: 74%;">BLANKFAZE</b> | <b style="font-size:90%;">(&#1095;&#1090;&#1086;</b><b style="font-size:70%;">??</b><b style="font-size:90%;">)</b>
 * It should be no problem then for you to provide a source for the images. I do agree that they should be PD, just give us a bit more. Fawcett5 21:17, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Support. I tried very hard to find some reason to object, but I just couldn't :p. I've done a quick bit of copyediting, hopefully eliminated the last few typos. (Note to blankfaze: as a "strong supporter of British English" on the wiki, you should start applying your own policies. :D I left all American spellings I found alone; I'll leave it to you to change them). Also the above objection is invalid, as it is based on an incorrect assumption. Phils 20:20, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, are there some? I'm not responsible for all of the content, so I may have missed something.  Also, my personal writing style is somewhat of a mish-mash (probably about 85% BE, 15% AE), so feel free to go through it yourself... :-P <b style="font-size: 74%;">BLANKFAZE</b> | <b style="font-size:90%;">(&#1095;&#1090;&#1086;</b><b style="font-size:70%;">??</b><b style="font-size:90%;">)</b> 20:26, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * support seems like a good article Mozzerati 21:00, 2005 Apr 17 (UTC)
 * We don't need to put his name in lowercase as he used to write it? Everyking 21:35, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Read the article, my friend. His name should not be spelled in miniscules.  That was a publishing design that got carried away. <b style="font-size: 74%;">BLANKFAZE</b> | <b style="font-size:90%;">(&#1095;&#1090;&#1086;</b><b style="font-size:70%;">??</b><b style="font-size:90%;">)</b> 21:48, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * OK then, I was wrong about that. Everyking 21:53, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Support; good work. I remember, as you mentioned, visiting this one in its more stubbish days, and I am impressed with the progress. One comment (sort of in Everyking's vein): while I understand the notion that the lowercase use of his name was not endorsed by Cummings, it is something that many people associate with him or know about him, and thus I think it should be mentioned (if not bolded) in the lead section. --DanielNuyu 03:38, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I understand your idea about the lead though I'm not quite sure how I'd implement it; you're welcome to try your hand. <b style="font-size: 74%;">BLANKFAZE</b> | <b style="font-size:90%;">(&#1095;&#1090;&#1086;</b><b style="font-size:70%;">??</b><b style="font-size:90%;">)</b> 05:06, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * See it now. And one more suggestion: while I like the links to the poetry, I think including within the article one short poem, in my preference "a leaf falls..," would make it even stronger. --DanielNuyu 06:23, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I like the idea as well &mdash; the problem: most of Cummings' poems, including the one you prefer, are copyrighted works.  <b style="font-size: 74%;">BLANKFAZE</b> | <b style="font-size:90%;">(&#1095;&#1090;&#1086;</b><b style="font-size:70%;">??</b><b style="font-size:90%;">)</b> 21:23, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Object. To much on the life and not enough on the work, apart from a short comment on his development as a writer, and what their is is oddly slanted towards the plays and not the poetry. And yet, strangely, not enough on his relationship with Schofield Thayer, EEC's first real publisher as a writer and patron as a painter, whose name isn't even wikified. Not enough on who the influences on him were (Pound and Stein just mentioned in passing). The accusations of anti-Semitism need to be place in a wider modernist context (Pound, Woolf, Eliot, H.D. and others also exhibit this vice). Nothing at all on his legacy. Who, if anyone, did he influence, and how? I just feel it needs a lot more. Filiocht | Blarneyman 08:47, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)


 * Object. I agree with Filiocht. The Criticism section is aso extremely small and without any kind of attribution. POV: frequent use of "probably" and phrases such as "Cummings understood the importance of presentation" (the issue being an assumption that presentation is important). His writing style does not have any example that I see. 119 21:32, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Object, I am afraid - I think the biography section is fine, but, in commong with Filiocht and 119, the sections on his works are just stubs, really, and need significant expansion - they should to be as comprehensive as the biography section. -- ALoan (Talk) 10:44, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)