Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Effects of Hurricane Noel in the United States/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by User:SandyGeorgia 18:12, 19 October 2008.

Effects of Hurricane Noel in the United States

 * Nominator(s): –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 

I've spent a couple months working on this. As far as I can tell, a recent bout of copyediting by myself has brought the article up to featured standards. I was surprised at how much information I found on this, considering that the storm never even made landfall in the United States! Cheers, –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  02:31, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Withdraw –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  16:16, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments -
 * A little part of David dies inside... Anyhow, Images either some goverment work with appropriate license or so on and so forth (yawn.) Image:Noel2007 erosion.jpg from Flikr, license there is good as well, so images meet criteria. (Goes back to shuddering in corner muttering about hurricanes.) Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk  ) 02:36, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Same here! Hurricanes are scary. And so is Julian. ;) Gary King ( talk ) 06:37, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 *  –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  13:11, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Current ref 13 (Anne Johnson) is lacking a last access date.
 * Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:34, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Got it. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  13:11, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Question - Considering the discussion about small articles that is currently ongoing, I think it is worth asking why this article has been branched off Hurricane Noel at all. Awadewit (talk) 13:24, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Per Dr pda, the combined word count of Hurricane Noel, Meteorological history of Hurricane Noel and Effects of Hurricane Noel in the United States is 5,600. Since all are GA, they are presumably comprehensive. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 00:01, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I take it they were not split due to WP:SIZE concerns, then. Awadewit (talk) 00:05, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed, the Hurricane Noel article is getting quite long, and as I and other editors work on it, it's bound to get longer. However, the primary reason I split this is because including all of the information in the main article would give it undue weight, and would make it heavily US-biased. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  00:06, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * My mistake: Hurricane Noel is not yet GA. So you're saying there were more effects in the Caribbean than in the US, but that isn't yet covered in the article?  If the largest effects were in the US, it wouldn't be undue to talk more about the US.   Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 00:30, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The most severe effects were in the Caribbean, but because countries like Haiti have scarce documentation of storms, there's more information for the US. –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  00:33, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Oppose. Eliminate redundancies and merge back. Marskell (talk) 13:45, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * What redundancies? As I said, to merge all of this information back into Hurricane Noel would make it US-biased. –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  16:28, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Redundancies:
 * Hurricane Noel: "Noel formed on October 27 from the interaction between a tropical wave and an upper-level low in the north-central Caribbean Sea."
 * Meteorological history of Hurricane Noel: "Noel formed on October 27 from the interaction between a tropical wave and an upper-level low in the north-central Caribbean Sea."
 * Effects of Hurricane Noel in the United States: "Hurricane Noel formed on October 27, 2007 from the interaction of a tropical wave and an upper-level Low pressure system in the north-central Caribbean Sea."
 * Why does Wikipedia need to thrice describe this storm? It doesn't, as far as I can see. As for US bias, there's already US bias. It just happens to be spread across three pages rather concentrated in one.
 * I don't mean to denigrate your efforts at all, but I stand by this oppose. Sandy has said that reviewers have not been evaluating in terms of "can this be merged?". It's about time we started. Marskell (talk) 08:28, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, I removed most of the first paragraph, which should take care of the redundancies. Any better? –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  15:41, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry Julian, I don't think you're quite getting me. You should actually put that sentence back in (until and unless a merge is undertaken) because now the lead doesn't describe the storm formation. What I'm suggesting is that the very fact that this article is split is the basis for my oppose. I see no need for three articles on this storm. Marskell (talk) 16:10, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I am beginning to discuss with the nominator about improving the article. I don't want to say here how the article isn't an FA so officially I am not presenting any objections. Chergles (talk) 17:25, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you have any specific conerns about the article? –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  15:41, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
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