Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Ellen Wilkinson/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 10:38, 12 November 2014 (UTC).

Ellen Wilkinson

 * Nominator(s): Brianboulton (talk) 22:17, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Ellen Wilkinson was a firebrand British politician in the inter-war years – "Red Ellen", the heroine of the Jarrow March and the scourge of Neville Chamberlain. Churchill was happy to employ her in his wartime coalition, where she took charge of the nation's air raid shelters. After the war she served in Clement Attlee's Labour government as   Minister of Education  before her premature death in 1947. A ball of restless energy, outside politics she found time to write novels, histories, articles and pamphlets, and in a spare moment helped to found UNESCO. She may have been Herbert Morrison's mistress. Mr riley has pointed out my evident penchant for writing about strong-minded women – it probably originates from my time in the cubs. There's been lots of peer review attention, see here, but further comment, criticism and correction would be further appreciated. Brianboulton (talk) 22:17, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Support – Such minor quibbles as I had were thoroughly dealt with at PR. I enjoyed this article very much, and I think BB has done Miss Wilkinson proud (he makes me feel I'd have loved to meet her, and that's among the the highest praise I can give any biographer). Meets all FA criteria for prose. Nb. that "pubs" has been misspelled in the above introduction to this review page. See evidence here.  Tim riley  talk    22:39, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * On the last point, you may well be right. But thank you for your review efforts, kind words and support. Brianboulton (talk) 22:00, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Support – with drip fed comments I'm afraid as I currently have a poor internet connection. Looks superb though:
 * "I have pulled myself out of the gutter, why can't they"? – Question mark inside the quote or outside? If I'm reading it correctly, this states that a mark outside of a closing quote suggests that the whole sentence is a question.  The question, in this case, is contained within the quote itself, so should be before the closing quote mark.
 * Someone has fixed this. Brianboulton (talk) 22:00, 5 November 2014 (UTC)


 * "Marches of the unemployed, often termed "hunger marches", had been taking place since the early 1920s, often under the auspices..." Often/often repetition; maybe "frequently?
 * Attended to. Brianboulton (talk) 22:00, 5 November 2014 (UTC)


 * "At that year's Labour Party's annual conference..." "That year" clashes with "annual" somewhat, and the two possessives clash with each other. Suggest: "At that year's Labour Party conference"?
 * Agreed and done. Brianboulton (talk) 22:00, 5 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Perhaps introduce Baldwin for our foreign or politically unaware readers?
 * Well, on first mention he's described as the prime minister, and linked; that should be introduction enough. Brianboulton (talk) 22:00, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Oops, I must have missed that.  Cassianto talk 22:32, 5 November 2014 (UTC)


 * "The marchers returned to Jarrow by train, to find that their unemployment benefit reduced" -- I'm wanting to say "The marchers returned to Jarrow by train, to find that their unemployment benefit had been reduced"? Or, we could lose "that" and keep with what we got?
 * This was fixed following SlimV's talkpage review. Brianboulton (talk) 22:00, 5 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Maybe link Auxiliary Fire Service?
 * Done.

That's my lot so desist with your phone call to the cop-shop as promised ;) Cassianto talk 23:41, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks indeed for these comments which, Baldwin apart, I have acted on. Thanks for the support also. Brianboulton (talk) 22:00, 5 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Support Most interesting and well written article.--Wehwalt (talk) 02:10, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Your earlier help at the review stage was important and well appreciated. Thanks for the support her. Brianboulton (talk) 22:00, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Support on prose per standard disclaimer. These are my edits. - Dank (push to talk) 02:40, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Most grateful for your edits, and for your support here. Brianboulton (talk) 22:21, 5 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Support. I had intended to read this through at peer review, but I was too slow, so I read it today and left some suggestions on talk. It's an interesting article, beautifully written and a pleasure to read. SlimVirgin (talk) 05:10, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * That is most kind. Your talkpage suggestions were helpful, and your support is most welcome. Brianboulton (talk) 22:21, 5 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Support: I was another happy visitor to the PR (relatively late, and only a couple of very minor points I could spot to comment on). Another excellent piece on an oft-overlooked figure. – SchroCat (talk) 18:21, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Brianboulton (talk) 22:21, 5 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Support: Another happy peer reviewer. An excellent, highly readable article. Sarastro1 (talk) 23:33, 5 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Support—I also had my say at the peer review. I think this outstanding article meets the standards. —  Cliftonian   (talk)  02:42, 7 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks to both of the above, for review help and support here. Brianboulton (talk) 14:30, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Note -- just a reminder about image and source reviews... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 07:02, 7 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Image review
 * File:EllenWilkinson.jpg - Fair use, good FUR
 * File:Nicholls Hospital - geograph.org.uk - 1221637.jpg = Fine
 * File:Main Quadrangle University of Manchester by Nick Higham.jpg - Don't see a GNU free documentation license there. The description only says that permission was given for use on Wikipedia, which is not enough
 * I'm not sure there is really a problem here, but I've replaced the image with an alternative from the geograph collection. Brianboulton (talk) 14:28, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
 * File:Ramsay MacDonald ggbain 35734.jpg -= This was not taken by the US government, but rather it is from the Bain collection. As such, the copyright tag is incorrect. I'm not sure if this is actually free.
 * You may well be right, here, given the lack of information on the source. It was not a vital image for this article, and I've replaced it with a perhaps more apposite quotation from the Zinoviev letter. Brianboulton (talk) 14:28, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
 * File:Palmer Statue overlooking Jarrow Town Hall - geograph.org.uk - 1596898.jpg - Fine
 * File:Blitz West End Air Shelter.jpg - Fine
 * File:Machanhill Primary School HORSA Huts - geograph.org.uk - 1281710.jpg - Fine. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:30, 7 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the review. Brianboulton (talk) 14:28, 7 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Images are okay now. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:16, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Source review - spotchecks not done
 * FN76: what kind of source is this?
 * It was a research paper from the Centre for the Advancement of Women in Politics which went offline when I was working on the article. I meant to find a better source, but forgot. I've replaced it now, it with a citation to the UK Parliament website ( see that in the original note I overstated the no. of Conservative women by one) Brianboulton (talk) 21:29, 8 November 2014 (UTC)


 * FN143 includes an accessdate, but most other newspaper cites don't - why?
 * Mistake - it shouldn't have been there, now deleted. Brianboulton (talk) 21:29, 8 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Be consistent in whether you use Harmondsworth, UK or just Harmondsworth. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:40, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Standardised, with the UK (it's not an internationally-known place) Brianboulton (talk) 21:29, 8 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the review, all points addressed. Brianboulton (talk) 21:29, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 10:38, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.