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The article was archived by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 22:31, 23 September 2018.

Endless Night (The Lion King song)

 * Nominator(s): Aoba47 (talk) 00:31, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello everyone! The above article is about a song created for the musical The Lion King, a stage adaptation of Disney's 1994 animated film of the same name. It was first performed and recorded by American actor and singer Jason Raize, who originated the role of Simba. "Endless Night" is a ballad, in which Simba grieves the death of his father Mufasa. The song includes accompanying vocals from Rafiki and a chorus. Music critics noted "Endless Nights" for its influences from African music, primarily through its use of chants. Critical reception of the track was mainly positive.

This is my second FAC about a song, following the successful promotion of "Shine" (Gwen Stefani song) back in 2017. I believe that it meets the requirements for a featured article, though I would greatly appreciate any feedback. If anyone is interested, this is what the article looked like before I worked on it. I hope that everyone has a wonderful rest of their day and/or night! Aoba47 (talk) 00:31, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Tony1
Lead, 1a:
 * "The composition was done by Mark A. Brymer and American theatre director Julie Taymor wrote the lyrics." You do a composition? And the grammar of the two propositions is different. Can they be separated with a comma?
 * Added. Aoba47 (talk) 15:46, 20 September 2018 (UTC)


 * And "was done", but "is taken" and "was performed".
 * Revised "is taken" to "was taken". Aoba47 (talk) 15:46, 20 September 2018 (UTC)


 * "originated" is a transitive verb?
 * The verb "originated" is used frequently used in the context of theatre (i.e. an actor originated a role). Aoba47 (talk) 15:46, 20 September 2018 (UTC)


 * "Music critics noted "Endless Nights" for its influences from African music,"—Does "music critics" need to be linked? The grammar is not good. noted something for its influencees? "... noted the influence of African music on Endless Nights?
 * I have removed the link. I was advised to link music critics years ago, and it is taking time to slowly break that habit. I do not see the grammar as particularly bad, but I have revised it according to your suggestion. Aoba47 (talk) 15:46, 20 September 2018 (UTC)


 * then ... "Critical reception of the track was mainly positive; commentators highlighted its contribution to Simba's character and its incorporation of African music"? I can't make it out. Is it grammatical? And what is "its"?
 * Both sentences are grammatically correct. The "its" refers back to "the track" in the previous sentence. I have revised it though. Aoba47 (talk) 15:46, 20 September 2018 (UTC)


 * So you do material? "the pop-oriented material done by English singer-songwriter Elton John"
 * Changed to "songs". The word "material" is perfectly valid though in this context. Aoba47 (talk) 15:46, 20 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Then in "Background and release": "was one of several new songs composed for the musical production of"—how many?
 * Added the amount through an additional source. It was 10 in total if you are interested. Aoba47 (talk) 15:59, 20 September 2018 (UTC)


 * "Discussing the connections between the songs, Taymor and musical theatre scholar Alexis Greene said compositions were selected from Rhythm of the Pride Lands based on their mood rather than the content." This is oblique. So ... the songs are connected by their mood, I suppose you mean? Is this Wikipedia's loose inference or was it spelled out in the source?
 * That is how they describe it in the source. Unfortunately, they do not go into more detail, but it is still important for inclusion. They chose to use the beat from "Lala" without paying attention to the actual lyrics/overall message. Aoba47 (talk) 15:59, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

I have to say, on the basis of the top as a sample, my feeling is Withdraw, rework, and resubmit, preferably in collaboration with others. Does any other reviewer think so?
 * Thank you for the comments. I greatly appreciate your help. I will wait for other reviewers' input as I do not believe it needs to be withdrawn immediately. Aoba47 (talk) 15:59, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Also, I know length is not a criterion, but ... it's rather short. Tony (talk)  10:08, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I believe the article includes all of the information about the song. The length is comparable to those on the Very short featured articles list. Aoba47 (talk) 15:59, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I have added additional information about other performances of the song (i.e. Nick Afoa and Adam Jacobs) and some other details. I currently feel more confident about the comprehensiveness of the article after my recent edits. Aoba47 (talk) 03:18, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Request for Withdrawal

 * Please withdraw and archive this nomination. I feel defeated and disengaged with the FAC process and Wikipedia in general. I doubt that anyone else will comment on this after a withdraw/oppose vote was cast at the start. I understand and respect Tony1's position, but I am not fond of their reviewing style. I do not find the rather quick assessment from only a small portion of the article and lack of engagement with the nominator to be particularly beneficial or helpful. Given the current discourse on possible improvements to the FAC process, I hope there will continue to be encouragement for editors to continue their Wikipedia work to this level. Either way, thank you in advance! Aoba47 (talk) 17:20, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 22:31, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
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