Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Enthiran/archive2


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 12:53, 24 April 2015 (UTC).

Enthiran

 * Nominator(s): — Ssven2  Speak 2 me  02:19, 9 April 2015 (UTC); Kailash29792 (talk) 02:19, 9 April 2015 (UTC)''

This article is about Enthiran, the current highest grossing Tamil film of all time. It is also the first Rajinikanth film to be attempted for FA class. It was withdrawn by me in its first FAC due to WP:PUNC, MOS:LQ and WP:NBSP issues. The editors who cited these issues have accepted the article's return to FAC after the issues were resolved at the article's second peer review. Any comments regarding prose, copyediting or even punctuation (if any are found) are greatly appreciated. — Ssven2  Speak 2 me '' 02:19, 9 April 2015 (UTC); Kailash29792 (talk) 02:19, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Support from the Doctor
Support I believe this is now up to scratch, it's not easy writing about a contemporary Tamil film like this and making it sound encyclopedic. I have made some significant edits to it myself though delegates.♦ Dr. Blofeld  07:14, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Doc. — Ssven2  Speak 2 me '' 07:15, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Comments from Tim riley
Support. Not a subject I know anything about, but the text is remarkably thorough, and the prose is easy to read and well and widely sourced. Many of the sources are newspapers, but that is to be expected for a film released less than five years ago. Adverse as well as favourable reviews are quoted. Only two minor queries about the drafting: I have not compared the version now before us with the one submitted and withdrawn last month. I refrained from supporting then because I felt unqualified to make any judgment about the topic. I am no better qualified now, but the article carries conviction, and as long as the coordinators realise that my support comes from a position of flawless ignorance I am happy to add it. The opinions of better-informed editors will naturally carry more weight. –  Tim riley  talk    12:18, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Lead: I don’t think you want to hyphenate "of all-time".
 * is "sci – fi" (twice) what you want, rather than "sci-fi", which is how I write the word, as – rather more to the point – does the Oxford English Dictionary?
 * Thank you for your time, Sir. I have resolved your comments. — Ssven2  Speak 2 me '' 23:55, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Comments from Jaguar
Support It has great encyclopedic material, so I'll support this transition from GA to FA. But first, just a few comments:
 * Does the Cast section contain any citations?
 * Added the film's DVD as citation to all cast members except those mentioned in "Cast and crew" sub-section. — Ssven2  Speak 2 me '' 12:28, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Cast or plot don't need sourcing in film articles.♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:45, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it doesn't. — Ssven2  Speak 2 me '' 13:49, 12 April 2015 (UTC)


 * "Following the completion of his first directorial venture in Hindi, Nayak (2001), S. Shankar announced his next project, Robot, which was to feature Kamal Haasan and Preity Zinta" - was Robot the working titie?
 * Yes, it was. It was the official title at that time. Coincidentally, Enthiran was released in Hindi (dubbed version) as Robot. The film would still have been named Robot for the Tamil version, but to get tax exemption from the Tamil Nadu State Government, the title of the Tamil version was changed to Enthiran. — Ssven2  Speak 2 me '' 12:28, 12 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Just curious, is there an English dub? If so could it be mentioned in the Release section?
 * No English dubbing. If there was, it would have been mentioned in the tabloids, which I would have cited along with the information here. But it was released with subtitles though. I have added the information in the "Cast and crew" sub-section as the one who does the captioning is also technically considered a crew member. — Ssven2  Speak 2 me '' 12:28, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Great job on the article, I'd just thought I would mention the minor comments above but you don't have to address them. Good luck! ☠ Jag  uar  ☠ 11:57, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Jaguar. — Ssven2  Speak 2 me '' 12:28, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Support from Krimuk90
Support: Looks good. A job well done by all involved. Just one minor point: If Aishwarya Rai Bachchan practised her Tamil lines each day before filming, why was her voice dubbed by another artist? -- Krimuk | 90 ( talk ) 01:46, 13 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't know why, but this source says, "Apparently, Aishwarya will also be dubbing her own lines for another Tamil film, Shankar's Endhiran, co-starring Rajnikanth", which is contradicted by this source that we have used. Kailash29792 (talk) 04:41, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Do you guys think it was her voice in it? We need to use our judgement in this case, and not confuse the readers. -- Krimuk | 90 ( talk ) 05:49, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I say we stick to the Business Standard-IANS one as that was published in 2013, 3 years after the film's release. The TOI source is published 6 months before its release and it states, "Apparently,..." which means it's not confirmed. Maybe she just got the lip-syncing correct. The voice in the film was a bit feminine, Ash has a more masculine voice, don't you think? — Ssven2  Speak 2 me '' 06:07, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I am not an expert at this, and I have only seen the Hindi version of the film, in which Rai dubbed for herself. If you think the Business Standard article is more reliable, then use it. My concern is that we shouldn't put up contradictory information, unless we put up a note explaining it. -- Krimuk | 90 ( talk ) 06:24, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I have removed the rehearsal bit to avoid confusion. Maybe the news from TOI might be for her Hindi dubbing as things were not confirmed at April 2010 right? — Ssven2  Speak 2 me '' 06:36, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
 * The TOI source talks about her dubbing in Tamil for Mani's film. The Enthiran bit must have been added as a possible afterthought. The statement isn't attributed to any source, so it's alright to not include it. -- Krimuk | 90 ( talk ) 06:40, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
 * By the way, thanks for the support, Krimuk. — Ssven2  Speak 2 me '' 07:07, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Support from Skr15081997
Support Amazing work on this article. Two minor concerns;
 * Rediff → Rediff.com
 * Done. — Ssven2  Speak 2 me '' 09:45, 13 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Exchange rates aren't the same during the whole year.
 * The exchange rates are average values. I have added average exchange rates for all years except this year, which I have written as "The exchange rate on 4 February 2015...". — Ssven2  Speak 2 me '' 09:36, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
 * OK.--Skr15081997 (talk) 09:37, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

--Skr15081997 (talk) 09:34, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Comment from SchroCat

 * Any chance you could have a look at WP:CITEBUNDLE and see if you could do anything about those parts where there are too many citations? ("and paid INR60 million.[24][25][26][27][Note 2]" sticks out, by way of example. - SchroCat (talk) 13:44, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this. I have made a few modifications and as it turns out, the citation bundles are more or less present in the "Cast and crew" section. Partially done for now. Will be back to address this tomorrow afternoon. To make things easier, can you show me an exmple of how to solve the places where too many citations are present? ust one example would be enough. — Ssven2  Speak 2 me '' 14:14, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Have a look at this edit, which shows one way to address it. - SchroCat (talk) 15:01, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Done as per your suggestion. — Ssven2  Speak 2 me '' 08:11, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Support - Good article, nicely put together. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 08:29, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you, SchroCat! — Ssven2  Speak 2 me '' 08:50, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Support from Prashant
Support - Nicely written, well-sourced and informative. — Prashant 13:06, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. — Ssven2  Speak 2 me '' 06:21, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Support from FrB.TG
Support with a minor comment
 * Was just wondering if you could tweak one of the sentences at the Awards section as most of the sentences start with "at the xxx ceremony, the film.." -- FrankBoy  CHITCHAT  14:57, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Done. Tweaked. — Ssven2  Speak 2 me '' 14:59, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Support from RHM22
Support I performed an earlier copyedit, and I commented at the first FAC and the peer review. I went over the article again and corrected a few things, and it looks good to me now. I like it; good work.-RHM22 (talk) 21:57, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, RHM22. :) — Ssven2  Speak 2 me '' 00:41, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Comments from SNUGGUMS
Here are my only concerns:


 * The cast list DOES need to be referenced; there is nothing in WP:FILMCAST saying such lists are exempt from requiring citations
 * Done. Added reference.
 * Six are still missing citations; not good Snuggums (talk / edits) 05:27, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I have made an edit summary in case you would ask. Do you want me to cite them? — Ssven2  Speak 2 me '' 05:30, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, all cast members should have citations Snuggums (talk / edits) 05:32, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Done. — Ssven2  Speak 2 me '' 05:37, 21 April 2015 (UTC)


 * For "Awards and nominations", it's worth including Edison Awards and Screen Awards even though there's a separate article for all accolades. Since the section is a bit short right now, I'd also add some of the names of works that won the nominations this film lost.
 * Where's the expansion for this? Snuggums (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 05:27, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Doing. — Ssven2  Speak 2 me '' 05:30, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Done. — Ssven2  Speak 2 me '' 05:49, 21 April 2015 (UTC)


 * "International Business Times" shouldn't be italicized as it is an online-only source
 * Done. Deitalicised.

I'll be happy to support once addressed. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 23:55, 20 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Support per resolved comments and my image review (see below). <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 05:42, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. SNUGGUMS. — Ssven2  Speak 2 me '' 05:49, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Coord note
A reminder that we need image and source reviews at some stage; feel free to post requests at WT:FAC. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 00:08, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Both done. — Ssven2  Speak 2 me '' 06:12, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Image review by SNUGGUMS
Hi Ian. I'll leave source spotchecks to someone else, but here's an image review:


 * File:Enthiran poster.jpg: has an appropriate FUR and is used as poster, though I'd ideally have the source be used from something other than WordPress
 * Most of the posters for the film are either from forums, blogspots or from wordpress sites. — Ssven2  Speak 2 me '' 05:15, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * That saddens me :/, though they're better than having no source at all <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 05:19, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * True. Only the more contemporary ones like from 2013 onwards and only films starring well-known actors at that have images from RSs. — Ssven2  Speak 2 me '' 05:23, 21 April 2015 (UTC)


 * File:Aishwarya Rai Robot12.jpg: this is worrisome; the URL provided doesn't contain the specific image used
 * Done. Replaced with another photo.


 * File:MachuPicchu Residential (pixinn.net).jpg: licensing is OK, though it would be more convenient to use the specific URL as opposed to a general link
 * Done. Used the specific URL you mentioned.


 * File:Lencois Maranhenses 7.jpg: I will AGF with the claim as own work, though it would be better to provide a link
 * Removed the image.

In terms of relevance, I personally don't see the benefit of using images of geographical locations. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 00:18, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * All the above comments have been resolved. — Ssven2  Speak 2 me '' 06:05, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Source review by Nikkimaria
Source review - spotchecks not done
 * FN6 and 12 are both Rediff sources but are formatted differently
 * Done. Changed to Rediff.com.


 * There's a formatting problem in FN33 - missing a break
 * Don't understand what you mean. — Ssven2  Speak 2 me '' 04:51, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * "Retrieved 19 January 2015. * Kumar, S. R. Ashok" - that asterisk is meant to be a bullet point, yes? Nikkimaria (talk) 04:59, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Spotted. Done. Thanks. — Ssven2  Speak 2 me '' 05:17, 21 April 2015 (UTC)


 * FN168 and similar: DVD should not be italicized if included, and should probably be combined with Motion picture or placed in a different parameter
 * Done. Combined DVD with Motion picture.


 * FN85: A.V. Club should be italicized
 * Done.


 * Dhananjayan: is this a multi-volume work? Does it have chapter authors?
 * No. G. Dhananjayan is the sole author of the book. No chapter authors. Why do you ask? — Ssven2  Speak 2 me '' 04:51, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * The title suggests this is a multi-volume encyclopedia - sometimes these have separate authors on individual entries, which should be noted, and the volume number should also be given. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:59, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Added the volume number. — Ssven2  Speak 2 me '' 14:39, 22 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Ramachandran: if this is a second edition, you should include that in the reference
 * Included as "Ramachandran 2014" and in the "Sources" section, I have listed it as "|origyear=2012|". — Ssven2  Speak 2 me '' 05:20, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Suggest also including "|edition=2nd". Nikkimaria (talk) 04:59, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Done. Thanks. — Ssven2  Speak 2 me '' 05:20, 21 April 2015 (UTC)


 * "Roger Moore, writing for the Orlando Sentinel...": should cite the original source for this
 * Got it. Kailash29792 found it. Have put it along with the archive.


 * FN47: title should use hyphen not endash.
 * Done. Used hyphen.

Nikkimaria (talk) 01:52, 21 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the review, Nikkimaria. All your comments have been resolved. — Ssven2  Speak 2 me '' 05:27, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 12:53, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.