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Esplanade MRT station

 * Nominator(s): ZKang123 (talk) 08:46, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

This article is about another MRT station in Singapore. As Wikimania is being held in Suntec City, Singapore, on August 14 to 16 this year, I hope to have this passed before August to showcase another Singapore-related work. In addition, the station serves said location.ZKang123 (talk) 08:46, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Media review - pass

 * Images are all appropriately licensed and own works of the uploaders.--NØ 17:46, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Comments from MyCatIsAChonk
Since this is one of my first FACRs, I won't be giving a support/oppose, but I'm still happy to give comments! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 13:14, 21 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm surprised to have no comments about the prose, it's very well written!
 * Earwig is showing no copyvios/plagiarism
 * I suggest adding Template:Use Singapore English tag (or similar for whatever dialect is used)

I'm very impressed with this article, nice job ! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 13:14, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Usually for Singapore articles British English is used by default. ZKang123 (talk) 07:23, 24 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, I was wondering if you felt in a position to either support or oppose this nomination? Obviously, neither is obligatory. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:41, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Sure, the article is very good already and I don't see any other major concerns brought up. Support. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 22:16, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Comments
I think this is a relatively comprehensive, but expandable article. But I think the article can be expanded, such as adding a practical introduction to what time the station is crowded. This will be of great help to users.Thanks.Hhhh2 (talk) 07:29, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * No important details are overlooked, and the location of the main services of the subway station is described in great detail. I think it's very helpful.
 * And the article is well researched, and the citations in the article are comprehensive and representative. Citing sources is also high-quality content.
 * This is a neutral introductory article, not promotional.
 * And in line with Wikipedia's copyright policy, there is currently no plagiarism.
 * Well, for the suggestion it will make the article read too much of a guide than anything encyclopedic. In addition, there are no official sources for the exact passenger numbers of the hour. ZKang123 (talk) 07:24, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Comments Support from Chris

 * "Esplanade MRT station is an underground Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) station on the Circle line (CCL)." - I would specify "in Singapore" here. I know it's mentioned in the next sentence but I think it really needs to be "front and centre", especially given that there's a far better-known Circle Line in London.
 * "On 7 August 2001. the" - that full stop should be a comma
 * "Road diversions began from 4 August 2002" => "Road diversions began on 4 August 2002"
 * "A sheltered linkway at One Raffles Link and a temporary pedestrian bridge was constructed" => "A sheltered linkway at One Raffles Link and a temporary pedestrian bridge were constructed" (as there are two subjects to the sentence, not just one)
 * "Esplanade station is within walking distance to City Hall MRT station" => "Esplanade station is within walking distance of City Hall MRT station"
 * "The work is a collage of Lim's early works[30] which includes" => "The work is a collage of Lim's early works,[30] including"
 * "Finding that his works on theatre to be relevant for the station" => "Finding his works on theatre to be relevant for the station"
 * "were digitally edited from the original cravings" - presume that last word is meant to be "carvings" ;-)
 * "before passing on" => "before dying" (MOS:EUPH)
 * That's what I got! :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:44, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Not sure if ZKang123's missed this or been busy - nothing here looks controversial so I changed all as suggested. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 11:02, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah I almost forgot about this and thought no one else made their input yet. I'm fine with the edits. ZKang123 (talk) 11:14, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:54, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Comments by Epicgenius
I will comment more in depth shortly. – Epicgenius (talk) 13:30, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Lead:
 * "the station serves the Esplanade" - I would clarify that the Esplanade is a performing arts centre. (Strangely, when I click on the link, the Esplanade article mentions the statutory board first, but I'm not sure)
 * Yeah I guess the article tends to conflate the two.--ZKang123 (talk) 09:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * "Esplanade station is linked to the nearby City Hall station via an underground retail development CityLink Mall." - I would put a comma after "underground retail development".
 * Rewrote to "CityLink Mall, an underground retail development". I find adding a comma disrupts the flow of the original way this sentence was written, at least for me.
 * Your rewording works for me as well. Epicgenius (talk) 01:55, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * "First announced as Convention Centre MRT station as part of the Marina MRT line (MRL)" - I suggest adding the year, i.e. "First announced in 1999"
 * Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 09:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * "The station was renamed to its present name through a public poll in 2005." - Instead of "The station was renamed to its present name", I'd just say "The station was renamed Esplanade"
 * Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 09:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * History:
 * "The station was first announced as Convention Centre station in November 1999 as part of the Marina MRT line (MRL)" - It may make more sense to move up the date, e.g. "The station was first announced in November 1999 as Convention Centre station and was part of the Marina MRT line (MRL)".
 * Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 09:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * "A pedestrian underpass linking One Raffles Link and Suntec City was closed from 20 January 2003" - I'd say "on 20 January 2003".
 * Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 09:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * By the way, did the underpass predate the MRT? I'm asking because we don't have many underpasses in NYC unless they were built as part of a subway station or a major development.
 * I guess so, as per the source suggests.--ZKang123 (talk) 09:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * "From the end of 2007" - Similarly, I'd say "At the end of 2007".
 * Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 09:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * "the diverted roads were rerouted back to their original alignments" - Is there a better way to say this, e.g. "the diverted roads' original alignments were restored"?
 * Done. Used "reinstated".--ZKang123 (talk) 09:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Were there any modifications made to the station after it opened? I realize it only opened 13 years ago, but it's fine if the station has remained unchanged since then.
 * Unfortunately no significant news since.--ZKang123 (talk) 09:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Station details
 * "The station has provisions to allow it to interchange with a future MRT line." - What exactly are these provisions (extra exits, unused space somewhere in the station, additional platforms, additional tracks, etc.)? Or was the station merely planned as an interchange that hasn't been completed yet?
 * The source didn't have much details on this.--ZKang123 (talk) 09:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * That is unfortunate. Epicgenius (talk) 01:55, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * "Through a public poll to replace its working name "Convention Centre", "Esplanade" garnered more votes at 49% against "War Memorial" at 41%. The name was finalised on 7 July 2005." - This might fit better in the History section. Did LTA just decide to host a poll out of the blue? Or was "Convention Centre" always intended as the temporary name?
 * I guess Convention Centre was intended as temporary. If I recall this was one of the first time LTA did a poll. Added details on this.--ZKang123 (talk) 09:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * "the three-level station" - What are the three levels, by the way? I'm guessing there's one platform level and two mezzanines, or a platform level, a mezzanine, and a ground floor.
 * The source didn't have much details on this.--ZKang123 (talk) 09:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * That is also unfortunate. Epicgenius (talk) 01:55, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Public artwork:
 * "Depicting the origins of theatre, the work is inspired by the nearby Esplanade Theatres, to which the artwork pays homage." - I would condense this, e.g. "Depicting the origins of theatre, the work is inspired by, and pays homage to, the nearby Esplanade Theatres".
 * Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 09:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * "Depicting the origins of theatre, the work is inspired by, and pays homage to, the nearby Esplanade Theatres. This work was Lim's last and largest commission before his death in 2008. The work is a collage of Lim's early works" - The word "work" is used quite frequently in these three sentences. I suggest using synonyms for some of these.
 * Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 09:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * "Karen at the time hoped" - I would use the full name for this and for other mentions of Karen Lim, per MOS:SAMESURNAME. This is fine if Karen Lim was related to Lim Mu Hue, but this doesn't seem like the case.
 * Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 09:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * "as it is getting rarer in Singapore" - I would change "is" to "was", as you're otherwise switching from past tense ("hoped") to present tense ("is getting") in the same sentence.
 * Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 09:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * "Lim went on to experiment fusing his works with technology" - Computers being the technology in question, I presume. If it's unclear, I'd just write "Lim went on to experiment with fusing his works technologically".
 * Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 09:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * "the work had to be digitally altered for it to fit on the slanted wall so that it does not look distorted when viewed from the ground" - I would change "does not" to "did not" for consistent tense, as above.
 * Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 09:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * That's all I have. – Epicgenius (talk) 20:19, 16 June 2023 (UTC)


 * ? Gog the Mild (talk) 20:44, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh sorry I didn't see this on my watchlist. I've also been busy at work so I will look into them later ZKang123 (talk) 00:26, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * No problem. I was also very busy at work this past week, so I forgot about this as well.Support - everything seems to have been resolved now. Epicgenius (talk) 01:55, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Source review
Footnote numbers refer to this version. Sources are reliale. -- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 15:39, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The archive link for FN 20 isn't working.
 * The archive link for FN 25 is coming up as a blank page for me.
 * Can we get a date for FN 24?
 * Fixed the above. FN 24 details.-- ZKang123 (talk) 08:51, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The archive link for FN 25 behaves oddly. It's actually bringing up the parent page, "Visitor Guide", which has a link to the "Getting Here and Parking" page.  However, when you click on that link, instead of taking you to an archive of that page, it takes you to the live page itself.  So this doesn't appear to be an archive link.  If for some reason it's not possible to archive this page, I would just remove the link. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 10:48, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Changed to the web archive link. ZKang123 (talk) 11:23, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 * That works. Pass. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:31, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Gog the Mild (talk) 14:20, 9 July 2023 (UTC)