Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Fearless (Taylor's Version)/archive1

Fearless (Taylor's Version)

 * Nominator(s): Ippantekina (talk) 09:11, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks to Taylor Swift's re-recording her past albums, I discovered deep cuts which I now very much enjoy (case in point: "Hey Stephen"). This article is about the first re-recording of hers: a re-recording of her 2008 album Fearless. I sometimes startled at how good Swift's songwriting was when she was a teen upon first listen, and I bet you'd feel the same. After rewriting the article and bringing it to GA, I believe it is now up to FA standards. I'd appreciate any and all comments and feedback. Cheers, Ippantekina (talk) 09:11, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Imma let you finish, but Red is the best era of all time! (reserving a spot) -- In actu (Guerillero) Parlez Moi 12:06, 18 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Howdy! Any updates with the review?, Ippantekina (talk) 04:02, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Pseud 14

 * 2000s decade - I think decade can be dropped, as 2000s already refer to the decade from that year to 2009
 * it won four Grammys including one for Album of the Year. -- including Album of the Year
 * Written in Swift's teenage years -- written during?
 * The production has a clearer fidelity and more defined instruments -- suggest if you can attribute this in the prose as well
 * I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this.. Ippantekina (talk) 06:45, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * apologies for not being more clear, suggest if you could attribute it to the critic/publication that stated such, as you did with the succeeding sentences. i.e. The Guardian said or writer opined, etc. Hope that clarifies. Pseud 14 (talk) 12:17, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

The article is well-written, well-researched in its coverage and analysis of the album, and seems to present all viewpoints fairly. Great work here! Pseud 14 (talk) 23:50, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The closing track, "Bye Bye Baby", whose demo had been circulated on the internet for years -- the demo of which had been... (I think "whose" should really only be used with people, not non-human things like a song)
 * Pitchfork listed the album in their list -- listed and list seems repetitive, perhaps change to included or named or something along those lines.
 * Other tracks whose snippets -- same as above. I think you can tweak perhaps to say snippets of other tracks made available to social media
 * In the weeks after the album's release, Swift released -- perhaps some tweaking to avoid repeating release
 * It made headlines for records -- this line reads a bit MOS:PUFFERY, perhaps something like it achieved...
 * Not a source review, but quick look in your references show that it is in title case. Just a couple maybe worth tweaking per MOS:CONFORMTITLE ref 12 "winners" should be in upper case and ref 85 could use a language paramater and a trans-title parameter if available.
 * Thanks for the prompt review,, I have addressed all points accordingly except one to which I replied. Ippantekina (talk) 06:45, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the prompt response Ippantekina. Replied to above as well. Nothing major to hold up my review. Support based on prose. Btw if you have some spare time and inclination, would appreciate feedback on my current FAC. Pseud 14 (talk) 12:17, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Support by Unlimitedlead
"The Other Side of the Door", one of Taylor's deepest cuts, is one of my favorite songs of all time. I am pleased to review its mother album; comments to follow over the next few days at a relatively slow pace. Unlimitedlead (talk) 23:25, 27 July 2023 (UTC)


 * is it still your intentions to review this nomination? Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 14:42, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes it is, although I am quite busy these days. Apologies for any delays. Unlimitedlead (talk) 14:57, 8 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Any information about when the album was re-recorded? Currently the infobox only states the release date.
 * The only info we have is Swift began re-recording in November 2020, but that is insufficient..


 * "Swift and Christopher Rowe produced the 20 re-recorded tracks...": If we are being technical, six of the tracks were not "re-recorded" as they were never released to the public.
 * The 20 re-recorded tracks do not include the 6 Vault tracks


 * "On April 8, singer-songwriters Olivia Rodrigo and Conan Gray, whom had been recruited by Swift...": What is meant by "recruited"?
 * Apparently they were contacted by Swift.. reworded.


 * Are there any sources reporting on the similarities between the original album cover and the Taylor's Version cover? I feel like a lot more could be said than just "The cover is a sepia-toned photograph of Swift..."
 * Thanks to a new list from Billboard we managed to extract some extra info!


 * "The vinyl LPs came in two editions, one golden in color and the other red; the latter available on Swift's website and the other at Target": I think you have reversed the two.
 * Done


 * "...and at times lost the earnestness before": This could be rephrased.
 * Tweaked

That is all from me at this time. Unlimitedlead (talk) 12:14, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks much, . I have replied to your comments above. Let me know if I missed anything! Ippantekina (talk) 06:39, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Pamzeis
I will try not to screw anything up.
 * I'm seeing a few instances of duplinks
 * I removed two but kept one (CMA Awards) as I think it's useful in this case - CMA Awards is linked twice, in "Background" and "Accolades and impact", which are two sections that are pretty far away from each other. Ippantekina (talk) 04:27, 11 August 2023 (UTC)


 * "catapulted Swift into mainstream prominence beyond the country-music scene" — Nothing to fix, but I'm just imagining a 19-year-old Swift being literally catapulted for some reason.
 * "had full ownership of the new masters, including the copyright licensing of her songs, which devalues the" — it switches from past to present tense, which reads a bit awkward to me
 * done Ippantekina (talk) 04:27, 11 August 2023 (UTC)


 * "all 19 tracks on the original Platinum Edition release (2009), which includes 13 standard-edition tracks that were first released in 2008 and six Platinum-only bonus tracks" — very many "tracks". Could this possibly be reworded to avoid repeating "tracks" so many times?
 * tweaked Ippantekina (talk) 04:27, 11 August 2023 (UTC)


 * "her vocal inflections down to the details" — "details" seems kinda vague. Aren't inflections sorta details in themselves? Can we just say "every vocal inflection" or something.......?
 * done Ippantekina (talk) 04:27, 11 August 2023 (UTC)


 * "harmony vocals, but uncredited as a" — but was uncredited?
 * done Ippantekina (talk) 04:27, 11 August 2023 (UTC)


 * "she texted Urban when he was Christmas shopping, and he agreed to record with Swift after listening to the tracks sitting at a food court" — is it relevant that he was Christmas shopping and at a food court?
 * done Ippantekina (talk) 04:27, 11 August 2023 (UTC)


 * "David Payne recorded them" — Apologies if this is obvious, but, as a non-music expert, what part did he record? The instruments?
 * It means "tracks" in this case. Let me know if it remains unclear. Ippantekina (talk) 04:27, 11 August 2023 (UTC)


 * "Swift's vocals were the most significant change" — sounds like an opinion; does it need attribution?
 * Virtually every critic said so, so I wrote it that way and included a footnote to avoid overattribution/"A said, B said" structure. Ippantekina (talk) 04:27, 11 August 2023 (UTC)


 * "it came more from the chest " — reads a bit awkward to me
 * done Ippantekina (talk) 04:27, 11 August 2023 (UTC)


 * In #"From the vault" tracks, "You All Over Me" is the only song without a description of what it's about. So, um........ is there a reason for this?
 * done Ippantekina (talk) 04:27, 11 August 2023 (UTC)


 * "Pitchfork included the album in their list of the most anticipated records for spring 2021." — this sentence doesn't really fit in with the rest of the paragraph, which talks about mostly talks about pre-released songs and the success of said songs
 * Interesting, should I remove the whole bit? Ippantekina (talk) 04:27, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not overly concerned about this, but I feel like the reason it was on the list didn't have anything to do with the marketing and was just more due to Swift's star power. I'll leave it up to you with what you wanna do with it.


 * "Jonathan Berstein thought otherwise and said the re-recorded tracks are "less slick"" — the tense switching feels a bit awkward to me
 * done Ippantekina (talk) 04:27, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Overall, a very interesting read! Side note, do you think she's announcing 1989 TV tonight? Pamzeis (talk) 04:09, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It happened Pamzeis (talk) 07:15, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review, I very much appreciate it. Also I'm stoked for 1989 re-recording as well! But I'm not sure how it's gonna turn out. Of the re-recordings so far Red was the most satisfying to my listening experience whereas Speak Now was not as gratifying, maybe because she lost that breathless inflections in "Mine" or "Back to December" that once made them so emotionally engaging. But nonetheless let's anticipate 1989 TV this October! Ippantekina (talk) 04:27, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Support – Yeah, I agree that Red was the best of the re-recordings so far, and Speak Now the weakest, since I feel like it was lacking the same emotion she had with the OG (which is understandable given she isn't 18 anymore). I will say that I enjoy the vault tracks on Speak Now more than Red and Fearless though. Best of luck with this nomination! Pamzeis (talk) 14:35, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Image and source review
Reviewing this version, spot-check upon request. Image source, placement and licence seem mostly OK but I wonder if the cut-out File:Taylor Swift - Don't You (sample).ogg has a special significance. Not all images have ALT text, and they mostly don't describe what the image is or so it seems to me. Is Spencer 2010 a well-cited biography? #134 has an error message. and throw 404 messages. Source formatting seems consistent; can't say much about the reliability as this isn't a topic I am deeply familiar and I would never use such sources myself but I don't write in this field. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 18:35, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review, . I think the ogg sample's usage is justified, but I'm open to discuss its significance. Alt-texts have been added to all photos. I've set the url-status to "dead" for the 404 links. Might I ask what do you mean by "well-cited biography" i.e. is it about its reliability? Ippantekina (talk) 03:52, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am trying to gauge if Spencer 2010 is a "high quality reliable source", which it would be if e.g it was commonly cited and had a reputation for reliability. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:54, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure how I can determine so, but I have used Spencer 2010 in several other FAs and it was published by ECW Press which is an independent publisher, so I think it should suffice. Ippantekina (talk) 02:55, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Jo-Jo Eumerus. Sorry to be harassing you again, but I am looking to close this one. How is the source review looking? Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 14:04, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Pass, with my usual caveat about nonfamiliarity with the topic and lack of spotcheck. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 19:44, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Comments by Gerald Waldo Luis
Just scrolling down the older FAC list and found this article, thought I might be able to comment on it.  Gerald WL  08:14, 18 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Support -- all my concerns were addressed, great job on the article! Also, if you are interested, I have a PR up on the eye for a FAC, no pressure though!  Gerald WL  07:42, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

NØ

 * ”Swift had full ownership of the new masters, including the copyright licensing of her songs, which devalued the Big Machine-owned masters.” – The original masters being devalued is subjective, add attribution.
 * Elaborated. Ippantekina (talk) 03:02, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”six were Platinum-only bonus tracks” – What is a Platinum-only bonus track?
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 03:02, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”There were minor parts where Swift tweaked and improved upon to create a "same but better" version” – I'm still picking up a Grammar mistake with the usage of "where". Shouldn't it be "that"? Also, it should be clearly noted "same but better" is a quote from Swift and not a fact.
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 03:02, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”For instance” – Redundant
 * I don't think so; the wording is to point out that "Love Story" rerecording is an example. Ippantekina (talk) 03:02, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”Swift said by including these unreleased tracks, the re-recorded album proved that "the artist is the only one who really knows that body of work". – Oddly placed quote and this doesn’t add much to the reader’s understanding. Also, Swift’s quote in the note after this sentence has several grammar mistakes so use sic as appropriate.
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 03:02, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm still seeing the "the artist is the only one who really knows that body of work" quote in the article.
 * Are you concerned with its content significance or its grammatical issue? Because I'm not seeing grammatical issues here.. Ippantekina (talk) 06:47, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”Rowe recorded Swift's lead vocals at Kitty Committee Studio, which is Swift's home studio in London” – “which is” could be removed
 * Not done?
 * I kept it so as to not give the impression that "Kitty Committee Studio" and "Swift's home studio in London" as two separate entities. Ippantekina (talk) 06:47, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”Jack Antonoff and Aaron Dessner, who had produced Swift's 2020 albums Folklore and Evermore, worked with her in producing the "Vault" tracks” – convoluted
 * Not done?
 * done Ippantekina (talk) 06:47, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”11 of which were solely written by Swift. [Note: Including two versions of a same song: "Forever & Always (Taylor's Version)" and "Forever & Always (Piano Version) (Taylor's Version)]” – This makes no sense since a song is only written once
 * Lyrics-wise yes, but if two versions have different arrangements then I don't think we should consider it one. I can reword it to something like "Swift is credited as the sole writer on 11 tracks" if you agree. Ippantekina (talk) 03:02, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”Serban Ghenea mixed the entire re-recorded album” – who mixed the Vault tracks and why don’t they get a mention?
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 03:02, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”they incorporate prominent pop and pop-rock sensibilities” – what is pop-rock sensibilities?
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 03:02, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”although she sang the same notes and retained a light country-music twang” – A “light” country-music twang? Do you mean slight…?
 * I think "light" is appropriate. Ippantekina (talk) 03:02, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * “Swift's vocals were the most significant change: […] they became richer, deeper, and more controlled” – This reads like a rave review from Pitchfork. Why is this in wiki voice??
 * There is a note saying "Attributed to a multitude of critics". Should I change it? Ippantekina (talk) 03:02, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Someone may not click the note, and to them this is stated as a fact. Something like "A multitude of critics thought that ... Swift's vocals were" should appear in the prose.
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 06:47, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”Swift managed to recreate her once-teenage vocal inflictions and mannerisms, her matured voice made the album sound "like a sentimental family member's speech at a wedding, a reunion, a memorial" – This is again an entirely subjective critical review and does not belong in the Music and lyrics section.
 * I disagree. This is to shed more light on how different the two albums sound. This doesn't read like a positive or negative comment, but rather a description. Ippantekina (talk) 03:02, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * This is definitely positive.
 * As much as I don't comprehend it the same way, I tweaked it. Ippantekina (talk) 03:21, 29 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”For Lee, the said changes made the re-recorded tracks lose the original's sense of earnestness” – the “said” changes?
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 03:53, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Does “Vault” really need quotation marks every time it is used? We don’t put quotes around words like remix, a cappella, etc.
 * "Vault" is not the same as remix, a cappella because it is exclusively used for Swift's re-recordings, so yes it does need quotation marks. Ippantekina (talk) 03:53, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * The word “Vault” appears in every sentence of the first paragraph of the “From the vault” tracks section.
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 06:47, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”the "Vault" tracks are about derailed romantic relationships” – derailed by whom?
 * done. Might've been quite figurative.. Ippantekina (talk) 03:53, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”alongside pulsing synth drum loops” – “pulsing” again seems like the type of word that shouldn’t be in wiki voice. Seems subjective whether a track "pulses" or not...
 * Well for me it is merely descriptive.. but I removed it nonetheless should you insist. Ippantekina (talk) 03:53, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”the narrator makes sarcastic remarks at a former lover” – the narrator? Who is this?
 * the track's narrator. Ippantekina (talk) 03:53, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * So, Swift? Why can't we say the name for this track but we can say it is Swift and Urban singing on "That's When"?
 * There's a difference the artist who sings the song and the narrator who tells the story through the lyrics. I've used "narrator" in this regards for a while now. Ippantekina (talk) 06:47, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”The song contains the line "Mr. casually cruel", which references the track "All Too Well" from Swift's 2012 album Red” – Nice fact for the song article but excess detail for the album
 * Agreed. Ippantekina (talk) 03:53, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ” NME's Hannah Mylrae said it incorporated a production resembling Swift's 2014 album” – Prose redundancy. Just go for “said its production resembled Swift’s 2014 album”. Also, it's "Mylrea"
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 03:53, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”In "Don't You", a sparse track” – A sparse track? I’m not sure what this means…
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 06:47, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”"Bye Bye Baby", which had its demo circulated on the internet prior for years” – This has nothing to do with Music and lyrics
 * This has not been removed and I am not sure why.


 * The Fearless TV logo image is used purely decoratively. Visual identification is not required simply for the words “Taylor’s Version” being added to the title. Remove this
 * This has not been addressed. Please see MOS:IRELEV. We regularly have to discourage fans from including decorative images in articles so putting one in an FA is an absolute no-no and sets a terrible example.
 * I'm conflicted myself as the image might give some context (though might be minimal) because the cover itself doesn't show the title nor the extended subtitle. I would argue this image is more than being merely decorative, though I understand its inclusion might be debatable. Ippantekina (talk) 07:04, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”Fearless (Taylor's Version) was preceded by a rather minimal campaign that relied on social media” – Remove “rather”
 * I'd keep "rather" as it is comparative to the promotion for Swift's other albums. It might not be objectively minimal. Ippantekina (talk) 03:53, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”Pitchfork included the album in their list of the most anticipated records for spring 2021” – I’m not sure about swapping “albums” for “records”. Pitchfork’s list is specifically about the most anticipated albums.
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 03:53, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”The following day, she released "Love Story (Taylor's Version)" as the lead single from the re-recorded album” – “from the re-recorded album” is unnecessary… It’s amply clear from the preceding sentences it is not the original album being talked about.
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 03:53, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”In the hours leading to the album's release” – “leading up to the album’s release”
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 03:53, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”posted clips of themselves acting to excerpts of "You Belong with Me (Taylor's Version)" on TikTok” – what acting did they do? Did they play roles?
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 03:53, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”Other snippets made available on social media were "Fifteen (Taylor's Version)" on Snapchat” – The snippets weren’t the songs, they were of the songs
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 03:53, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”She again appeared on Good Morning America to preview "Fearless (Taylor's Version)" – It is not clear when this happened. And do we really need “again”…?
 * It's the same day that Swift previewed snippets on social media. I kept "again" because she had appeared on GMA before to announce the album. Ippantekina (talk) 03:53, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”Related merchandise including clothes and accessories all featured the extended moniker "Taylor's Version". – Sorry but how is this noteworthy? Seems obvious an album’s merchandise bears its name…
 * Not addressed.
 * Forgot to mention I also meant to address this one with the below comment. "Taylor's Version" was a key point in the marketing strategy so I'd keep it. Ippantekina (talk) 06:47, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Ben Sisario’s comment is again something entirely subjective and randomly placed, and I am not sure it is of encyclopedic value
 * The bit is to highlight how Swift used the "Taylor's Version" brand to mobilize fans and market the album. I do believe it should stay. Ippantekina (talk) 03:27, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”Fearless (Taylor's Version) was released on April 9, 2021, via Republic Records” – Avoid “via” and go for active voice
 * This has not been addressed.


 * ”In it, she recreates her pose on the original album cover but looks at an opposite direction.” – This is grammatically incorrect… It should be “looks in the opposite direction” since there is only one opposite direction.
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 03:53, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I am not sure why you insist on "at". I ran it on Grammar checkers and it should definitely be "in" the opposite direction.
 * I might have missed it. Out of curiosity what do you use for grammar checking? Ippantekina (talk) 06:47, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”The standard physical copies were made available for pre-order on Swift's website, and CDs with collectible posters available for pre-order exclusively at Target Corporation.” – This reads odd. Is there a missing word here?
 * No, I reduced "were made available" in the second clause. Ippantekina (talk) 03:27, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”It achieved records such as the first re-recorded album to reach number one and the biggest sales week for a country album since 2015.” – Not sure about “achieved records” since this isn’t exactly Guinness Book of World Records stuff. Just say “It became the first re-recorded album to reach number one and achieved the biggest sales week for a country album since 2015.”
 * done''. Ippantekina (talk) 03:53, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”which set the record for a female musician” – Same with this. Just say something like she was the first female musician to do this.
 * done''. Ippantekina (talk) 03:53, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”By July 2023, Fearless (Taylor's Version) had accumulated 1.81 million album-equivalent units, of which 737,000 were pure sales, in the United States.” – A lot of commas here
 * done''. Ippantekina (talk) 03:53, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”In the wider English-speaking world,” – What is the wider English-speaking world???
 * done. Technically the English-speaking world is not the same as the Anglosphere so.. Ippantekina (talk) 03:27, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”the album broke the record for the fewest weeks between two number-one albums by the same artist with its peaking atop the chart 17 weeks after Evermore” – Very oddly framed
 * Not done? Also substitute "broke the record" for something like "achieved".
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 07:04, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”it helped Swift surpass the Beatles' record for the fastest duration to have three number-one albums” – this reads like it was the fastest an artist got their first three albums to number one. I can think of maybe “the shortest gap between three number-one albums” as a clearer way to put this
 * Curious why you have made no change to this.
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 07:04, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * How is People's Daily a high quality source? I’m seeing a direct association with the Chinese Communist Party and WP:CHINADAILY is highly frowned upon for similar reasons.
 * I am not an expert but per the link you cited sources could be used "cautiously and with good editorial judgment". I believe an article about a non-political, entertainment matter is fine, but I'm open to discussion if the source reviewer disagrees. Ippantekina (talk) 03:27, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not convinced, personally.
 * Okay, we might need administrators' input regarding this. I have no issue with removing it but I need thorough considerations. Ippantekina (talk) 06:47, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”They complimented how the production emphasized the instruments, which brought forth a crisper and warmer sound” – This isn’t a fact. Say “They thought the production emphasized the instruments”. You’ve used “thought” for less positive opinions like Bernstein’s…
 * tweaked. But I kept "complimented" because it is a fact that they praised the album. Bernstein was not critical so I used "thought". Ippantekina (talk) 04:17, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * What you have done does not address my concern. "They complimented how the production emphasized the instruments" still presents the production emphasizing the instruments as a fact, when another critic in the very next line seems to disagree. It should be "They were favorable of the production, which they thought emphasized the instruments ..."
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 03:21, 29 August 2023 (UTC)


 * It’s “Bernstein”, not “Berstein”
 * done. Ippantekina (talk) 04:17, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Have you given all critics equal weightage in the Critical reception section? I’m seeing Petridis, McCormick, and Keefe’s names repeated multiple times but the ‘’Clash’’, ‘’The Independent’’, ‘’NME’’ and ‘’Pitchfork’’ reviews do not get a single mention in the prose…
 * Responded below. Let me know what you think. Ippantekina (talk) 04:17, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”The Guardian's Alexis Petridis and The Daily Telegraph's Neil McCormick wrote that Fearless (Taylor's Version) made them reminisce about Fearless as an outstanding country-pop album filled with catchy melodies.” – So they’re praising the original ‘’Fearless’’ from what I understand? Given how text-heavy this section is, I’m not sure this warrants inclusion
 * Yes they are. For me it's worth including because the rerecorded tracks were all from the original album anyway. Ippantekina (talk) 03:12, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think so? Otherwise, you might as well include reviews for the original album...
 * If so we'd also need to remove the entire third paragraph which discusses reception of the lyrics. I know the bit might come across as redundant but it gives context of how the re-recording gave the critics a second look at the original album; it might also be noteworthy that Petridis gave the original Fearless a less-than-glowing review back in 2009 but commended the re-recorded Fearless (except for the "Vault" tracks). Ippantekina (talk) 06:47, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”AllMusic's Stephen Thomas Erlewine said the "Vault" tracks are the album's most appealing” – Looks kind of odd. Remove “album’s” maybe since this doesn’t seem to be detrimental to conveying the meaning
 * Not done? "'Vault' tracks are the most appealing" also conveys the same point without one extra word.
 * Eh.. it does sound missing imo. Ippantekina (talk) 03:21, 29 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”Swift pulled Fearless (Taylor’s Version) from contending for the Grammy Awards and Country Music Association Awards” – She pulled it? What does that mean? Aren’t artists allowed to just not submit albums for Grammy consideration?
 * Changed to "withdrew" as "pulled" seems exclusively North American. And yes according to the source artists seem to have their own right to submit albums for awards or not. Ippantekina (talk) 03:12, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”Republic Records representative explained to Billboard that Swift decided to do so because the original Fearless remained the most-awarded country album up to that time, and because she wanted the awards committee to focus on Evermore, which was submitted for all eligible Grammy categories.” – This is too long…
 * Tweaked. Ippantekina (talk) 03:21, 29 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ”In Variety, Willman wrote” – If people can remember Willman’s first name they can also remember he writes for ‘”Variety’’.
 * Not sure if you didn't understand this point? But since you're not repeating the full name "Chris Willman", and assuming everyone remembers it is Chris being talked about, you can also remove "Variety" since said people would also remember the publication he works for.
 * As said below my comments were not meant to be exhaustive. But done. Ippantekina (talk) 06:47, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Were there any other critics except Mikael Wood who criticized the re-recording project? There was a lot of discussion online so surely there is more discourse about it in the context of a cash-grab?
 * Cue Variety, "But the minority adversarial reactions to Swift’s album are kind of like the similar reactions to Phoebe Bridgers smashing her guitar on SNL". I did look for critics from reputable sources but it seemed most of them were music blogs that were unfit for inclusion. Ippantekina (talk) 03:12, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * With all that being said, it's coming to an oppose on criteria 1d: neutrality and 1a.--NØ 05:44, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * , I appreciate you taking time reviewing this article. I am not sure if I am being sound, but it seems you opposed on criterion 1d mainly due to the "Critical reception" section? (My assumption is because for most parts it was more of grammatical/wording issues). For that section, I took advice from WP:RECEPTION (cue "Consolidate details", "Don't overuse direct quotations"). Certain critics are mentioned more not because they are given more weight but because their texts add substance to the existing claims. For other claims that you deemed "subjective", i.e. Sisario's and Wilson's commentary, they are properly attributed and add context to the existing text. Ippantekina (talk) 06:18, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You have missed quite a lot of comments, actually, which I am not sure if it's deliberate. I would suggest making sure they are all addressed soon. Also, it should be "Max Bernstein", not "Berstein", in the Personnel section as well. Make sure that there are no typos.--NØ 09:40, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hey, thanks for the push! I actually have not addressed all of your comments and was about to get back to it after the weekend. Do expect some time (no later than Tuesday) as I'm juggling between stuff but my previous comments were by no means exhaustive in regards to your review. Cheers, Ippantekina (talk) 04:14, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I've responded to all points. Do let me know your thoughts if you have time, and btw have an enjoyable wikibreak :) Ippantekina (talk) 03:30, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi NØ, just a ping to make sure you are aware of the above comment. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:22, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, while waiting for their reply, could I go ahead with a new FAC at this point? Ippantekina (talk) 03:02, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid not. That is for when nominations have met the minimum requirements and seem well on their way to promotion. It is not completely clear that this is what is happening here. Let's wait a bit and see how this review turns out. for information. Gog the Mild (talk) 10:40, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Understood. However the reviewer has said they have no further time to contribute to this FAC, so I assume their oppose on the ground of criterion 1d sticks, at least for the time being. I do hope we receive further comments on that front (if coordinators recuse to review I'd be more than happy..) and I stand my ground that this article satisfies NPOV, but if after further comments we don't reach consensus then so be it.. Ippantekina (talk) 04:54, 6 September 2023 (UTC)


 * I've noted the prose improvements but the work needed to address the 1d concerns should be done during a peer review outside of the pressure of the FAC process. The article would benefit from a rewriting and extensive reviews from uninvolved users. I am afraid I have run out of time to help with this article. The logo image should definitely go, though. If you really want to use images you can use pictures of Olivia Rodrigo and Conan Gray in the section. The CCP source also needs to go. A spotcheck should also take place at the PR, since there seem to be source-text integrity issues as well as close paraphrasing e.g. the article says "Many complimented the production as crisper and warmer", but "crisper and warmer" seems to be an unattributed direct quote from NME. This is "attributed" to four critics in the note but these words are not used by any of them. Also, you have included eight 4+ star reviews in the review table so at least one of them should be replaced by the 3 star review from Slant. For added neutrality, the less positive reviews from Pitchfork and LA Times should be added into the Critical reception section. Obviously, it's up to the coords to decide if my concerns hold water. Good luck--NØ</b> 07:34, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
 * If we both agree, your concern is now primarily regarding neutrality/NPOV. "Crisper and warmer" are not meant to be exact wordings but paraphrased variants (i.e. Empire, "The production can’t help but sound smoother, the quality of the playing more nuanced"; Gajjar, "The subtler changes are observed in more pronounced beats"; Harbron, "All the changes made [...] simply make them shinier [...] banjos are crisper, guitars are fuller, drums are heavier"). Not sure if a 3-star review by Slant adds substance since the table includes one such rating by AllMusic and the aggregate score on Metacritic is 80+, and the LA Times criticism is exclusively toward Swift's alleged capitalist act, which is covered in a separate section. I'd like to restate that the "Critical reception" section is designed such that it includes commentary that adds substance and forms a narrative, otherwise the critics and publications are summarily included in notes (cue WP:RECEPTION). Nonetheless let us hear from the coordinator regarding this. Ippantekina (talk) 08:17, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Heartfox

 * "Two "Vault" tracks feature guest vocals from Maren Morris and Keith Urban" → I would add ", respectively" at the end of this sentence as it makes it seem like both artists appear on each track.
 * done


 * "a songwriter and a recording" → "a songwriter, and a recording"
 * done


 * "She subsequently released her second studio album" → Unless the album was self-released this wording is misleading; same for "Swift released her next four studio albums", "she would release the re-recording"
 * done


 * "Swift publicly denounced" → can remove "publicly" as this is already stated in the previous sentence: "public dispute"
 * done


 * "on Good Morning America" → not really necessary
 * "were Platinum Edition bonus tracks" → could remove "Platinum Edition" as this is known from the previous sentence
 * "in mind" → unnecessary
 * "Urban agreed to record" → rerecord?
 * "...found them to have 'indelible melodies and choruses with the efficiency of a Nordic pop factory → what is the purpose of this sentence?
 * "found certain tracks" → perceived certain tracks
 * "Pitchfork included it in their list of the most anticipated albums for spring 2021" → seems rather unremarkable unless this was covered by secondary sources or other publications also listed it as anticipated
 * "February 11," → year pls
 * "The following day, she released "Love Story (Taylor's Version)" as the lead single" → citation was published a day before "released" and does not identity it as the lead single
 * "It was first re-recorded album to reach number one" → missing a "the first"
 * "The album made Swift return to the top of Billboard's Artist 100 chart for a record-extending 47th week" → no one really cares about the Artist 100, was this event covered by a publication other than Billboard itself?
 * The second and third commercial performance paragraphs seem a little unorganized/unfinished
 * I would agree that People's Daily does not seem to be a high-quality source
 * I would agree that claiming "crisper and warmer" to be a paraphrase when it also happens to be verbatim from one of the citations attributed to the consensus is problematic
 * ", but" introduces NPOV issues
 * "Praise also directed toward Swift's vocals" → I don't think this works grammatically
 * Either keep the perceptions in the "music and lyrics" section or "critical reeption", don't repeat stuff like "and at times lost the earnestness of the original recordings" when this was written in a previous section
 * Are the track lengths listed in the liner notes?
 * "withstood the test of time" WP:FLOWERY
 * " others appreciated them " → "others" claimed but only 1 critic cited?
 * I would cite Universal Music Japan website instead of commercial outlet CD Japan
 * Brazil release needs trans-title parameter
 * Vinyl release given as "Various" but US cassette "United States" only but same website cited?
 * "Various" but only US apple music cited? I know this is pedantic but pls make sure the release history is backed up with proper verification
 * CNET is considered iffy at WP:PERENNIAL, consider replacing with a different publication
 * There are more than a dozen journal articles with "Taylor Swift" in the title on Taylor & Francis alone, surely some information could be extracted and at least one journal article cited for the background section or something

The commercial performance section could use expansion/revision, and the critical reception is not as crisp and direct as I would expect it to be, feels kind of muddled with too much thoughts from individual critics, feels directionless at times. Once these issues are addressed, I believe this would be a great article that is not overly long, is accessible, and has depth. Best, Heartfox (talk) 05:46, 10 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your comments, . I will look into them shortly. Cheers, Ippantekina (talk) 03:09, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Request
taking all the comments here as well as my current schedule into consideration, I would not be able to wrap this FAC in the near future. Given that I might be active again in quite a few months, I would like to withdraw this FAC for now. Should I go active again I might initiate another FAC with all points here resolved. Cheers, Ippantekina (talk) 03:43, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ippantekina, I'll action on Gog's behalf. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 06:57, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 06:57, 14 September 2023 (UTC)