Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/First Tennessee Park/archive2


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The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 14:59, 19 November 2016.

First Tennessee Park

 * Nominator(s): NatureBoyMD (talk) 14:56, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

This article is about a minor league baseball stadium in Nashville, Tennessee. I believe it meets the criteria to become a featured article. The article's previous nomination did not receive enough feedback for consensus. I will be reaching out to WikiProjects Tennessee & Baseball this time. NatureBoyMD (talk) 14:56, 3 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Tentative support in comprehensiveness and prose, as last time. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:17, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I tried reading the article twice but found no issues (except maybe two small paragraphs but that's too nitpick) so I support. Also, I'm also nominating my own GA, Featured article candidates/Allen Walker/archive1, so I wondered if you could check it. Also, about the previous review not receiving enough feedback, I have been told I could get more feedback by doing what I have just done: Review other FAN in exchange of another review or request other users you met (or the project) to check it. Good luck.Tintor2 (talk) 16:44, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Looks pretty good from what I've read so far. Not entirely finished yet, but it's getting late so I'll leave some notes/questions and circle back tomorrow: More to come. --RL0919 (talk) 05:54, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Support Comments from RL0919
 * According to WP:CHECKLINKS (report here) there are five external links with significant problems.
 * I've replaced several dead references, and I think everything should now be in order. NatureBoyMD (talk) 20:50, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * "The Nashville Sounds had originally planned to leave Herschel Greer Stadium for a new ballpark called First Tennessee Field in the early 2000s, but the project was abandoned, partly because of the initial effects of the Great Recession." I find this wording confusing. I think you may mean they started working on a plan in the early 2000s (with the move date to be sometime later), rather than planning to leave their old stadium in the early 2000s. Otherwise there must be some explanation about what delayed the project to the point that it could be cancelled during the late-2000s Great Recession.
 * I included a more specific original target opening date and removed the recession reference. NatureBoyMD (talk) 20:50, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify: "paid for by five city revenue streams". The property taxes from private developments are two of the five, yes? Otherwise I only count four listed.
 * Yes. In replacing dead reference links, I found a better reference that details each development's property tax payments. The sentence now makes the five sources clear. NatureBoyMD (talk) 20:50, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The subsection called "Opening" seems to cover a number of things beyond the opening. Perhaps a slightly different header, or should some items be moved to the "Other events" subsection?
 * I renamed it "Minor League Baseball" with the intention of it covering the stadium's primary use as a minor league ballpark. NatureBoyMD (talk) 20:50, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * "The site on which First Tennessee Park was built was formerly a run-down area of old warehouses and parking lots." It is mentioned multiple times above that it was built on the site of a previous ballpark. Suddenly it is warehouses and parking lots. I gather from checking the Sulphur Dell article that this is what happened after the old park closed, but this article doesn't explain. An extra sentence or two about the history would help connect it for the reader.
 * I added details comparing the neighborhood when Sulpher Dell stood on the location versus the present/soon-to-be future once other projects are completed. NatureBoyMD (talk) 20:50, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * "The ballpark's design is inspired by Nashville's heritage." This is immediately followed by discussion of concrete and metal rather than anything about the "heritage" design. I think this sentence would be better served if it was consolidated into the final paragraph of the Design subjection, which does discuss the heritage elements.
 * Done. NatureBoyMD (talk) 20:50, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the changes so far; I believe all the issues above are addressed. A few others and hopefully we will be looking good.
 * "One of Greer Stadium's most distinctive features was its guitar-shaped scoreboard. Having received overwhelming support from the community, a larger, more modern guitar-shaped scoreboard was designed ..." The placement on the "overwhelming support" clause in the second sentence makes it sound like the new scoreboard got the overwhelming support, but wasn't it support for the the old scoreboard that inspired the new one?
 * Yes. I added some details about why it wasn't moved and made it (hopefully) clearer that attachment to the old board was the reason for a new guitar scoreboard at the new park. NatureBoyMD (talk) 15:39, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * "Seats on both levels are traditional, plastic stadium-style chairs, and all lower-level seats behind and between the dugouts, and all second-level seats have padded seat cushions." Seems like an excess of ands, but I didn't want to accidentally change the meaning by copy editing.
 * I agree. I think the seating description flows better now. NatureBoyMD (talk) 15:39, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * "A section of 4-top tables—semi-circular tables surrounded by four chairs—that can accommodate 108 people at 27 tables is located at the end of the lower seating bowl in right field near The Band Box." Since The Band Box isn't discussed until later in the article, it left me wondering about it here. Perhaps some description should be added? "... near a specialty concession area called The Band Box" or something along those lines.
 * Done verbatim per your suggestion. NatureBoyMD (talk) 15:39, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * That's all my comments on prose. Will spot check some sources before finalizing on support or not. --RL0919 (talk) 03:12, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your changes and comments so far. NatureBoyMD (talk) 15:39, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Apologies for the long delay since my last comments. I checked several of the sources and didn't find any issues, so happy to support. --RL0919 (talk) 01:06, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Image review: All the flickr images check out, as do the own work ones. Logo's fine as well. The only tentative issue is with this one, since it has the fair use logos quite prominently on the image. It is a nice picture, but if someone could provide a second opinion on the logo issue that would be helpful. (I'll try to provide a source review as well). Wizardman 00:00, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Due to the lack of any second opinions, there are a few possible alternative images of the scoreboard at Wikimedia Commons that may be able to take its place if the logos are an issue. (Such as: File:First Tennessee Park right field entrance 2.JPG, File:First Tennessee Park, May 5, 2015 - 2.JPG, or File:First Tennessee Park, April 17, 2015 - 13.jpg.)NatureBoyMD (talk) 21:33, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delay, thought I responded to this; to be on the safe side the second or third images might be a better bet, though I wouldn't keep it from a promotion just from the logo question. Wizardman  14:10, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Comments from Mike Christie
-- That's everything I see on a first pass. I'm a bit concerned that there's some trivial detail, but after you respond to these points I'll go back through and see if there's anything that looks worth cutting. Other than that this seems in good shape. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 01:45, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * What does "360-degree views of the field" mean? A 360-degree view is a view in all directions, but surely there's no such view of the field from anywhere not on the field?
 * It means that the field can be seen from every spot on the concourse, as opposed to stadiums where part of the concourse is located under or behind seating. I have changed it to read: "The ballpark's wide concourse wraps entirely around the stadium and provides views of the field from every location." NatureBoyMD (talk) 16:59, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * "There are plans": suggest "As of 2016, there are plans".
 * Done. NatureBoyMD (talk) 16:59, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * "The deal involved Metro receiving": who is Metro?
 * I changed the first instance of "Metro" in the prose to "Metropolitan Government of Nashville and Davidson County (Metro)". NatureBoyMD (talk) 16:59, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * "a new greenway beyond the outfield wall will connect the Cumberland River Greenway to the Bicentennial Mall Greenway": can we get a date for this; either "As of 2016, a new greenway ... is planned to connect" or, if we know it, the planned date of the connection?
 * The city's greenway website lists it as complete. I've updated the wording and referenced this. NatureBoyMD (talk) 16:59, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The paragraph about the average attendance per game is a bit clunky and repetitive in structure. How about: "By the all-star break in mid-July, the attendance had reached 332,604, a higher attendance than in the entire 2014 season at Greer Stadium, which had totalled 323,961 people over 66 games.  The 2015 season attendance finished at 565,548, for an average attendance of 7,965 per game, compared to 4,909 per game for the last season at Greer."
 * Done as per your wording. NatureBoyMD (talk) 16:59, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * "The Sounds hope to host": suggest giving some date context: "As of 2016 would do" (or 2015, if that's correct) but depending on the source you might phrase it a bit more flexibly. You have a couple more sentences that could do with date context, to avoid them aging over the next few years: "will eventually be surrounded by new apartments...", for example, and the following notes about the greenway.
 * The first sentence has been removed. The second has been changed to "is now surrounded" since the apartments/ect are already in place. The greenway date has also been addressed. NatureBoyMD (talk) 16:59, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * "The grandstand has clean lines": what does this mean? If it just means it looks nice, I'd cut it unless you feel the source is worth using for this.
 * Removed. NatureBoyMD (talk) 16:59, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * "Walking vendors traverse the stadium selling canned soft drinks, beer, water, peanuts, Cracker Jack, and other easily toted items": I think you could cut this -- it seems a fairly trivial thing to say about a ballpark.
 * Removed. NatureBoyMD (talk) 16:59, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your initial comments. NatureBoyMD (talk) 16:59, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

Support. All my comments above have been addressed. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 01:10, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Coord note
There was talk of a source review above but not sure if it got actioned; you can request at the top of WT:FAC. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 07:07, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Requested. NatureBoyMD (talk) 16:13, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

Source review: No deadlinks on a check, and all references appear reliable. My only irk is that the two brew fest refs (#42 and #43) don't have publishers, and for that matter I'd just cut the former ref as it's a primary archived source; the latter ref covers everything for both in any event. Wizardman 03:16, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I removed the first reference and added the publisher for the second. NatureBoyMD (talk) 04:02, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Sources suffice for me now (if one more prose review is needed let me know, but hopefully there's enough comments here for a final decision). Wizardman  03:06, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 14:59, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
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