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The article was promoted by Karanacs 01:36, 14 April 2010.

First Test, 1948 Ashes series

 * Nominator(s):  YellowMonkey  ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll )  05:01, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

First Test of the 1948 Ashes series, a rather slow game marked by England's use of leg theory, and Bradman made his slowest Test century, snared in the leg trap of Alec Bedser, part of a trend. Compton made a famous 184 in England's second innings.  YellowMonkey  ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll )  05:01, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comments. No dab links and no dead external links. You have two refs named "sched" and "sco4" with slightly different content. Ucucha 11:59, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Done, one redirects to the other  YellowMonkey  ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll )  02:48, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Ucucha 02:58, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Cricinfo should probably be moved but that is not a FAC issue
 * References
 * Passes W3C validation
 * Properly uses templates; error check passes except for the two duplicate names already noted
 * Uses shortened footnotes with some standard footnotes; not egregious, but cosmetic
 * Cricinfo is used as the publisher in several cites, it should be used as the work; looks like it is now named ESPNcricinfo
 * CricketArchive should be used as work, not publisher; see the documentation for Cite web
 * ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 16:25, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * If you mean shortened, I only put in the years if there is a need to dab. For the websites, Work and publisher only differ in italicisation and they aren't italicised as they aren't newpaper/journal titles, so publisher works the same as work with explicit italics to invert it  YellowMonkey  ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll )  02:48, 23 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Comments from  Harrias  talk


 * And that's the whole article from me. No major issues, another lovely article in the Invicibles series.  Harrias  talk  12:27, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
 * All prose issues resolved for me, I can't comment on the technical stuff, I'll leave that for other people. Pending anything terribly off with them, you have my full Support  Harrias  talk  08:06, 29 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:15, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Comments: I have made several minor fixes, typos etc. I have also been listing numerous prose queries, either grammatical, punctuation, cricket-speak or lack of clarity. Either by some telepathic genius, or maybe by stalking my sandboxes, you have anticipated and dealt with most of them, so here is a shorter list (you may have got to some of these by now, too!) As a general point for the future I would strongly recommend that you get a non-cricket person to look at the prose before FAC submission of further cricket articles, particularly match reports which are very hard to do encyclopedically. I would usually be willing to help with this.
 * Prose queries
 * The next morning, Bradman departed for 138, but his vice-captain Lindsay Hassett continued on,... The "on" is redundant.
 * Godfrey Evans, who kept wickets in the last series,... "Kept wicket", surely, and for the uninitiated this should be linked to wicket-keeper.
 * "...but the run rate remained low" followed soon after by "This ended a 64-run stand in 58 minutes". That is not a low run rate
 * Fair enough and removed, in spite of Fingleton and Wisden saying they were slow  YellowMonkey  ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll '')  04:58, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Fingleton was a grouch, especially about Bradman (who for some reason he detested). Test match run rates in those days tended to be faster in terms of time than now, but were generally slower in terms of runs per 100 balls; they bowled many more overs per day, then. For example, when Australia scored 404 at Headingley, England bowled 110 overs - and that was in less than a day's play. Brianboulton (talk) 16:33, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, Fingleton and Bradman were all at loggerheads but the amusing thing is that Bradman hagiographers in Australia also often just lift all their stuff off him including all his quips and turn of phrase etc. Yeah, when I checked the scorecard again, they were bowling at 20 overs per hour that day, and 3 RPO isn't bad for that era and those crummy bats they had. Even if that hour they had only spinners and it seems Yardley was bowling some of it, so even if they had 25 overs that hour  YellowMonkey  ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll )  00:38, 31 March 2010 (UTC)


 * O'Reilly often attacked leg stump during his career and devised a refined plan to ensnare Bradman "Refined" is surely not the best adjective here. O'Reilly's career was long over at this point, so you need to say: "During his career O'Reilly had often attacked leg stump, and had devised..." etc
 * ...while Young had none and used a pure ring field. I've never heard the expression "pure ring field" - what does it mean?)
 * I just used a descriptive treatment; everyone in a circle. Sometimes a commentator will say "ring field" even though there is a slip, which is a close-catching position.  YellowMonkey  ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll '')  04:58, 30 March 2010 (UTC)


 * As such, Yardley's leg theory tactics failed to coax them into losing their patience. "As such" is unnecessary
 * ...the ball had touched his body and not the willow. Unexplained use of "willow", meaning "bat"
 * Miller returned late in the day Needs explanation. Had Miller been off the field? Otherwise, in what sense was he returning?
 * Compton's fall at 405/7 exposed the English tail "Exposed the English tail" is cricket-speak, needs explanation
 * England made three, omitting Barnett, Hardstaff and Young to a combination of injury and poor form. You don't omit "to", you can omit "through", or "because of", or "due to".
 * Australia's batsmen set a world record by chasing down 404 on the final day to take a series-winning 3–0 lead. You need to make it clear that this was a Test cricket world record, which relates to the 404 winning total, not to the last day or the 3-0 series lead. Thus: "On the final day Australia's batsmen set a world Test cricket record by scoring 404 to win the match, thereby taking a series-winning lead".
 * Australia then completed the series in style... POV (and unnecessary rubbing it in)
 * Changed. Never thought of myself as a rowdy gloating nationalist  YellowMonkey  ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll '')  04:58, 30 March 2010 (UTC)


 * The Fifth Test was the last international match, and the tourists only had seven further matches to negotiate in order to fulfil Bradman's aim of going through the tour undefeated. Clarify that this was the last international match of the tour. Also, "only" seven further matches is putting it oddly - that's more than 20% of the whole tour.

Brianboulton (talk) 17:01, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I saw that you had tweaked teh article and looked in your sandbox as I have seen FAC reviews being prepared in there. Thanks  YellowMonkey  ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll )  00:31, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Changed all of it. Offer accepted. Many thanks  YellowMonkey  ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll )  04:58, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Is nothing sacred? Having someone poking about in the sandboxes is like having a stranger going through your sock drawer. Anyhow, the article is looking a lot better now. I'll give it another readthrough in the next couple of days. Brianboulton (talk) 16:33, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Nice article. Minor style point - referring to Lindwall's teammates as his "colleagues" read a little strangely to me, and to the extent his colleagues had a heavier workload due to his injury, wouldn't it be better to specify "the other Australian bowlers" or "the rest of the Australian attack" - because that's who we really mean. And a question to which I don't know the answer: the parts of Law 42 dealing with short-pitched bowling were introduced after the Bodyline series. Was the beamer "illegal" by 1948 or was it a later prohibition? I had a look around, and I can't find out.KD Tries Again (talk) 16:02, 31 March 2010 (UTC)KD Tries Again
 * Changing it in the lead. A beamer was definitely illegal by then although I don't know when it was changed.  YellowMonkey  ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll )  00:28, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Comments – These are through the majority of the article, including the recaps of the first three days. For the most part, it looks like another winner.
 * "taking five wickets for Australia. Australia...". Little bit of repetition that could be sorted out in the lead.
 * Background: "It was thought that Bradman would play another leg spinner Doug Ring in McCool's place". Bracketing commas around Ring's name would appear to be needed.
 * "Joe Hardstaff junior scored 107 for Nottinghamshire, the only century made against Australia in the lead-up matches". This fact has five citations, which strikes me as extreme overkill. Do none of the books mention this, so the many match recaps wouldn't need to be used?
 * Of the top of my head, I think sched and/or f77 is enough but I wonder why I put those other ones there  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket! '') 06:16, 3 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Day One: "Both players attacked the bowling but could get their shots through the field for runs." Is there supposed to be a "not" in this sentence? I'm no cricket expert, as I've said many times before, but it doesn't sound like they were scoring much at the time.
 * "They reached stumps at 17 without loss, with Morris on 10 and Barnes on six." That's a total of 16, not 17. Is this some oddity of cricket scoring that I don't know about?
 * They can get runs from extras; wides no-balls etc infringements by the fielding team  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket! '') 06:16, 3 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Day Three: "Miller then responded to the spate of boundaries by with a series of bouncers." Is "by" supposed to be here as part of the terminology, or is it an excess word?  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 22:39, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Did the rest  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket! '') 06:16, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Note: first mention of stumps in the lead should be linked (as per this). Having used the word "stumps" to define end of day's play, you need another word to describe the batsman's wicket, as in Day 2 para. 2, Day 3 para 3 and Day 5 para. 2. Otherwise it all gets rather confusing. Brianboulton (talk) 20:59, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Done, er I think maybe avoiding the dabbing might be more convenient  YellowMonkey  ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll )  01:19, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Support: There is a thin dividing line between cricket reporting and encyclopedic writing, and it is difficult, particularly with match reports, to keep to the right side of it. I think that this article occasionally strays over to the wrong side, but not egregiously so, and that may just be my opinion. In any event, I am now happy to support. Disclosure: I have done quite a bit of tweaking and adjusting during this FAC, stuff I would have preferred to do in a peer review. I note that with Bedser's recent death, all of the England XI have now passed away; of the Australians, I think only Morris is left. Brianboulton (talk) 20:58, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, only Morris, Loxton and Harvey are left, and the latter two only played in 3-5 and 4-5 respectively. Thanks again for your help  YellowMonkey  ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll )  01:57, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Support, well-written. A few quibbles, though. Could you reword the last part of the background to avoid the awkward "bowlers. The bowlers" part? I realise you've done this consistently in similar articles, but with ice hockey articles I'm used to having statistics at the end. It looks a bit weird to me, with the prose-stats-prose sandwiching, but if it it's consistent and it works for you, that's fine.  Maxim (talk)  03:13, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. In cricket, football and swimming, the data sheet is usually up the top  YellowMonkey  ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll )  07:20, 12 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Support – After my batch of comments above was taken care of, I just looked through the rest of the article and found only a couple of minor glitches, which I fixed. The article rises to the same high standard as the other similar ones that have come through here.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 22:34, 13 April 2010 (UTC)


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