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The article was promoted by User:Ian Rose 10:01, 25 January 2014 (UTC).

Franklin Peale

 * Nominator(s): Wehwalt (talk) 11:27, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

This article is about… Franklin Peale, a major figure in the history of the United States Mint, and a controversial one. Almost all of the coinage machinery used in the latter two-thirds of the 19th century there was designed by him or based on his work. And yet, in December 1854, he was fired for using his position for profit. The son of the painter Charles Willson Peale, Franklin's life was unusual, from getting his name (Benjamin Franklin Peale) from a vote by the membership of the American Philosophical Society to the end, and I think, with the possible exception of Roger Burdette's works on 19-century Mint technology, this may be the best resource anywhere on him. Enjoy.Wehwalt (talk) 11:27, 2 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Comments, lean support.
 * Large cent leads to dab page.
 * Fixed.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:06, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Hiring and Europe tour section:
 * "Second" mint is confusing. This should be expanded to show that it means the second building, or removed from the sentence.
 * Clarified. Numisspeak, I am afraid.--Wehwalt (talk) 06:51, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The fifth paragraph of the section, beginning with "Some of the machinery that would be . . . ." seems short at three sentences compared to the other paragraphs. Can this be expanded at all, or merged with another paragraph?
 * Done.--Wehwalt (talk) 06:51, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Return and results section:
 * The quote beginning with "the performance of the press . . . ." is 84 words and should be a block quote. A later quote of 77 words is done as a block quote, and you should be consistent in the article.
 * Done.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:06, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Melter and Refiner section:
 * Counting board needs to be wikilinked or further explained. Perhaps an image would be appropriate, if one is available.
 * There's a PD one in Burdette's new book, which also comes on CD-ROM. I'll do the upload later today.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:44, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Added a different one.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:08, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Appointment and early years section:
 * How long did Eckfeldt continue to work? In other words, did he work up until his death?  And when was that?  It is explained later, but something needs to be where it is first mentioned.
 * Fixed.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:06, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Miscellaneous:
 * Pattern coin wikilinked multiple times.
 * Fixed, though I intend to leave the extra one in the caption.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:06, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * It's appropriate in the caption. I was speaking of in the main body.  GregJackP   Boomer!   13:48, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Sources are needed for Notes b, d, & f.
 * Done, though I deleted f.
 * Reed ISBN shows an error.  GregJackP   Boomer!   13:36, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. I don't know what the problem is on the Reed ISBN, as I said in a hidden note, I checked it against the physical copy of The Coin World Almanac (sixth edition) that I have and it is OK. I will work through the other comments later on today.  I can email you the back cover of the book showing the ISBN if you send me an email.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:40, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I fixed it. En dashes don't work in ISBN fields, so I changed it to hyphens.   GregJackP   Boomer!   17:16, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that. I think I've addressed your points.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:56, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * You have my support. GregJackP   Boomer!   13:48, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the thoughtful review, and for the support.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:03, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Source review - spotchecks not done
 * Some of the details in the infobox - for example, the resting place - are unsourced
 * FN24: page formatting
 * Be consistent in where you include states and how this is formatted. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:30, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I will look this over and take care of it in the next few days, I'm somewhat at sea right now.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:30, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I've sourced the resting place. Most of the other infobox details are mentioned in the article, and so sourced.  I think I've caught the other things.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:42, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Support: I carried out a lengthy peer review, since when an already first-rate article has been improved – some 400 words of text added together with a fine new image. Nothing further to add, really; an interesting story of professional competence and moral compromise. A great addition to the coin-related corpus. Brianboulton (talk) 14:53, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I feared complaints about length, but I felt that it was best to carefully cover the things Peale did, rather than worry about arbitrary figures.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:32, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Support – I hadn't run across Peale before, and have enjoyed making his acquaintance. The text meets all FA criteria in my opinion. A well-balanced article on an interesting man, well capturing his personal mix of pioneer and buccaneer, and setting out his achievements clearly and without bias. Well sourced and cited, and a pleasure to read. Tim riley (talk) 13:20, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:00, 7 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Comments from Crisco
 * Have you had an image review yet?
 * I had asked Brianboulton recently, if you would like to do it that would be great but kindly let him know. Thanks either way.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:54, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * K, I'll do it in the morning (my time) if Brian hasn't gotten to it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:06, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The boy was born in the museum of curiosities that his father kept. - is this really necessary for the lede?
 * It's a judgment call, I suppose. I was trying to evoke the unusual childhood that formed a brilliant but unusual man.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:54, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Alright, no worries. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:06, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * German mints of Dresden, Stuttgart, and Karlsruhe. - any articles?
 * I don't see any. The articles on the DM and on German euro coins don't show any links.
 * Contamin - Got a first name?
 * Not offhand. Contemporary sources per google search say "Contamin of Paris" or else without a first name.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:01, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * "and as these are completed, the coining by human labor be abandoned, and the work that can be executed in ... the Mint will be greatly increased." - Is the original quote lacking "can" in "human labor be abandoned"
 * I cut and pasted it from the web page where I got it. I went and looked at it, it's the same.  I don't see anything else online with that quote, so they may have mistranscribed, possibly, or else they just spoke funny back then.  I don't think it's worth a sic template.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:49, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * More to follow. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:19, 9 January 2014 (UTC)


 * "Contamin lathe, which had been imported from France after being seen by Peale there." Didn't you mention the Contamin lathe above?
 * Yeah, but I didn't mention its importation, just that he saw it and copied it. In one of the reviews, it was suggested I avoid saying what happened when he got back as much as possible in the trip section.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:25, 23 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Either of Peale's inventions worth articles?
 * Not to my knowledge.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:25, 23 January 2014 (UTC)


 * mal construction - space in the original?
 * Yes. The original has a sic which I decided against, it's clear enough.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:25, 23 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Journal of The Franklin Institute - Notable enough for a redlink?
 * Not to my knowledge. Your mileage may vary.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:25, 23 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Image of Taylor medal is (copyright-wise) fine. However, considering the blur I think scanning was not the best idea... photography would give more depth of field and thus allow the text to be legible. Similar to what I did here. (I note that this is not an FA requirement, just a suggestion).
 * I'll retake it when I get a chance.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:25, 23 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Is Richard McCulloh one Richard Sears McCulloh?
 * I'm assuming Jonas McClintock is Jonas R. McClintock, as you have him in the infobox.
 * Above two linked.


 * catalogued or cataloged in AmE?
 * I think it's OK.


 * Overlinking: turning, Levi Woodbury, and gold dollar.
 * Gold dollar unlinked. The other two were all enough apart to be worth another link.  The turning one is especially necessary. Woodbury was mentioned once in passing, and is being mentioned a bit more substantively about nine paragraphs later.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:32, 23 January 2014 (UTC)


 * That's it... solid article. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:30, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 * 'Crisco, Wehwalt, have the comments above been actioned? Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 23:31, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Not yet, by the looks of it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:32, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry, must have missed it. All done now.  Sorry about that.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:32, 23 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Support on prose. Solid article, as usual. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:37, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Image review: All images appear to be in the public domain and are appropriately licenced. Brianboulton (talk) 22:39, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

(Note: while reviewing te images I noticed that something is apparently wrong with ref 2 - please check it. Brianboulton (talk) 22:39, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the review. I've fixed the problem you mention.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:45, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Note -- There are repeat links for Levi Woodbury, turning, Martin Van Buren, and American Philosophical Society; won't hold up promotion but pls just check if they're necessary. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:22, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 12:23, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
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