Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Fred Moosally


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The article was promoted by SandyGeorgia 02:32, 31 January 2009.

Fred Moosally

 * Nominator(s): Cla68 (talk)

Respectfully nominate this BLP about the former captain of the United States Navy battleship USS Iowa for FA consideration. The article passed an A-class review with WP:MILHIST. I could not find a birthdate for this article's subject. None of the sources had his birthdate and it wasn't listed in the Birthday Database. Self-nomination with greatly appreciated help from Maralia, ed17, Ched Davis, and Abraham B.S.. Cla68 (talk) 01:03, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Comments -
 * If the first section of the references is printed media, why is a website listed first?
 * Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:14, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I moved that cite to the web section . Cla68 (talk) 21:15, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Oppose on criterion 3 File:USS Kidd (DDG-993).jpg - This image is up for deletion. Once this issue is resolved, I will be happy to strike the oppose. Awadewit (talk) 19:46, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * An image with the same name is in Commons, so once the Wikipedia image is deleted, renamed, or transferred to Commons the Commons file will show. Cla68 (talk)
 * It looks like this is going to happen on 28 January or so. Waiting with bated breath. :) Awadewit (talk) 19:57, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The new image is now in place . Cla68 (talk) 02:52, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Striking oppose. Awadewit (talk) 02:54, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Support presuming the image issue mentioned above gets cleared up. It was kind of Cla68 to mention my work on the article, but I only did a straightforward copyedit just prior to the nomination, so I think I'm sufficiently uninvolved to register my support. Maralia (talk) 05:30, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Looks good otherwise. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  21:51, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Support Comments - This is my 40,000th edit, FWIW :)
 * During his naval career, Moosally served in many different assignments, including as commander of a destroyer and the battleship USS Iowa. - Remove "as".
 * I wouldn't mind if the lead was expanded some, just enough so that the first and third paragraphs are equal in size to the second one.
 * The paragraphs in the Naval career section are pretty choppy. Is it possible to merge some of the shorter ones?
 * At 08:31 on April 19, Iowa prepared to engage in a main gun firing drill as Moosally and Johnson watched from the ship's bridge. - Specify the year.
 * The Retirement and media portrayal section feels somewhat like a time-line disguised as prose.
 * I believe I've responded to your concerns . Cla68 (talk) 07:40, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Support Issues have been addressed. Comments
 * "Between September 1988 and January 1989, Iowa conducted little training with her main guns, in part because of ongoing, serious maintenance issues with the main gun turrets."
 * Reword? The use of "little" there is slightly confusing.


 * "Vogel, Steve (2001-03-18). "Deadly Blast Haunts Battleship's Skipper", Washington Post."
 * (In Notes, Printed media) Is it really necessary to link the date? (Though it doesn't show up with the cut&paste I did)


 * At 08:31 on April 19, Iowa prepared to engage in a main gun firing drill as Moosally and Johnson watched from the ship's bridge.
 * Any way to write this so you don't have to link to 24-hour clock?


 * Note Julian's comments on the Retirement and media portrayal section. Actually, I'd review all the section for timeline-y prose.
 * I would do a thorough c/e, but I'm short on time :) Icy  // ♫ 22:40, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I've fixed your 2nd issue (the linked date), as well as a few date formats that were inconsistent with the rest (possibly my fault, as I'm used to international style on Navy articles). Maralia (talk) 01:42, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe I've addressed the remaining concerns . Cla68 (talk) 02:59, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Support now that the citation minor issues have been fixed. Good work! Karanacs (talk) 14:59, 30 January 2009 (UTC) Comments by karanacs. This is a well-done article and I am leaning towards support. Some questions and minor quibbles: (see also Lawsuit section for another uncited quote) Karanacs (talk) 17:11, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Need a citation after the quote and his "slap-on-the-back" personality.
 * Do we know what rank he received at commissioning?
 * I'm not that familiar with navy or ship jargon - what does this mean? difficulty in conning the ship through shallow water (conning?)
 * I'm not sure what this means either: was trained forward with its own mechanism
 * Need a citation at the end of the sentence with the quote "superbly fit"
 * Also need a citation at end of sentence with "most probably" quote - even if this means citations are duplicated in subsequent sentences, all quotes need an immediate citation.
 * Any idea what he did between 1990 and 1997?


 * I believe I've addressed your concerns . Conning does appear to be the correct word to use for that sentence. Cla68 (talk) 00:54, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I learned a new word today :) Perhaps we can include the link to wiktionary?  I suspect a lot of others won't understand that either. Karanacs (talk) 14:59, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
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