Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Freida Pinto/archive3


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 13:55, 11 June 2016.

Freida Pinto

 * Nominator(s): &mdash; Vensatry (Talk) 19:05, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

This article is about a one-hit wonder. The article has had two peer reviews and as many (unsuccessful) FACs. The issues raised during the previous nomination have been addressed. I believe the article now meets the criteria. Look forward to comments and suggestions. &mdash; Vensatry (Talk) 19:05, 25 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Update –  Notified: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography, Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Maharashtra, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mumbai, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women. &mdash; Vensatry (Talk) 17:11, 28 April 2016 (UTC) 

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Support on prose per standard disclaimer. Nicely done. As always, feel free to revert my copyediting. These are my edits. - Dank (push to talk) 12:05, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the copyedits. I've made one minor change though. &mdash; Vensatry (Talk) 14:22, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure, that works. Happy to help. - Dank (push to talk) 15:24, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Comments from Jim
Support: Dank leaves little for other commentators on style! Happy to support, just some minor nitpicks for your consideration Jimfbleak - talk to me?  06:54, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * decided to become an actress at a young age&mdash; perhaps decided when young she would become an actress?
 * garnered critical acclaim&mdash;"garnered" is a showbiz cliché, "received"
 * assignments until the completion of her graduation in 2005&mdash;don't need the completion of
 * highest-grossing film to date. &mdash;to April 2016
 * relatively lesser-known&mdash;sounds a bit odd to me, perhaps relatively little-known?
 * Fixed all. Thanks for the comments. &mdash; Vensatry (Talk) 08:33, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * :) - Dank (push to talk) 12:59, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

I'm a little concerned about the second claim in this statement: "The Indian media has criticised her "fluctuating" accent and dark complexion". Not sure why someone would be criticised for their complexion? Other than this, I think the article is very well-written, and has my support for its promotion. -- Krimuk | 90 ( talk ) 07:57, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Good catch, rephrased the bit. Thanks for the review. &mdash; Vensatry (Talk) 08:44, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Comments from TonyTheTiger

 * Does Pinto claim Portuguese or Goan ancestry? --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:11, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I think this is clearly explained in the footnote. &mdash; Vensatry (talk) 11:47, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Did Pinto get reviewed for You Will Meet a Tall Dark Stranger? --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:11, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Given that she had a minuscule role, it's almost impossible to find reviews. &mdash; Vensatry (talk) 11:47, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
 * What does "almost impossible" mean? Are they non-RS, passing mentions, or what? What do you think of describing her as the object of affections, which seems interesting here. I see her role is not central, but it could be described at least.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:42, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Done &mdash; Vensatry (talk) 16:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Why are the first and second film of 2011 in the same paragraph? --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:11, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
 * She had four films in 2011. I decided to have two films each in a para. &mdash; Vensatry (talk) 11:47, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Did Pinto get reviewed for Immortals? Is there enough content on that to make a separate para? --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:11, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Added one. &mdash; Vensatry (talk) 11:47, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Desert Dancer content seems to deserve its own para. --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:11, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Between Immortals and DD she had appeared in just one documentary. It doesn't deserve a separate para. &mdash; Vensatry (talk) 11:47, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
 * It seems to me that content beginning with "Pinto's first cinematic appearance in two years" is a new topic. In addition, its depth is sufficient to be a separate paragraph.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:26, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Where should the single and documentary go then? &mdash; Vensatry (talk) 16:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * It is fine where it is. I think with the split you just need to make sure a new Desert Dancer para mentions 2013.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:31, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Done &mdash; Vensatry (talk) 04:56, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Did Pinto get reviewed for Knight of Cups? --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:11, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Per 'You Will Meet a Tall Dark Stranger'. &mdash; Vensatry (talk) 11:47, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
 * At least you describe this role.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:49, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * It's been described already. &mdash; Vensatry (talk) 16:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Were there reviews for Unity of the film and/or Pinto? --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:11, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
 * It's a documentary. &mdash; Vensatry (talk) 11:47, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I think you should clarify that the film had 100 narrators so that the reader does not expect to find commentary regarding her performance.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:58, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Done &mdash; Vensatry (talk) 16:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Between Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic, there were 5 reviews. So the film was reviewed minimally.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:58, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure how helpful is it going to be in her article. She was just a narrator among 100 celebrities (most of them being much popular than she is). &mdash; Vensatry (talk) 16:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Did Pinto get reviewed for Blunt Force Trauma? --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:11, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Majority of the reviews talk only about her character. I'm struggling to find reviews about her from reliable publications. &mdash; Vensatry (talk) 11:47, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Good luck.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:06, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * There are reviews about the film, but they don't cover much about her performance. I'd be glad if you could find stuff related to the same. &mdash; Vensatry (talk) 16:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Have you exhausted reviews at Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:36, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes. &mdash; Vensatry (talk) 04:54, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Would you mind revisiting the page? &mdash; Vensatry (talk) 07:04, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll be by this afternoon.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:22, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Now that you bring this to my attention, I should point out that the article incorrectly uses tense per WP:MOSTENSE. Commentary by critics when summarized or quoted should generally use the present tense.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:35, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * IIRC, we use present tense for films and literary stuff. The guideline says: Generally, do not use past tense except for deceased subjects, past events, and subjects that no longer meaningfully exist as such. – critical reviews of films become past events over a period of time. &mdash; Vensatry (talk) 18:39, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Emily Ratajkowski was copyedited by WP:GOCE in this regard. Here is how I explained it at Featured article candidates/Kalki Koechlin/archive3 for Please ignore that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS that is inconsistent with this advice. It is confusing to me. Here is my interpretation. Write in past tense about things from to past. E.g., she made a movie, filmed a pilot. Write in present tense about things that are not in the past. A movie, although made in the past, lives for a long time if not forever (like a building). The movie is in the present like a building is. Thus, an opinion about a thing that is present is written about in the present. A critical commentary about a building or a movie would say. Critic X says the building is tall or the movie is good. We do not say critic X said the building was tall or the movie was good. Hope that helps.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:23, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Nowhere did I quote WP:OSE. We cannot use present tense while quoting somebody like Roger Ebert. Hope you're satisfied with 's explanation at your nom. &mdash; Vensatry (talk) 04:43, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * See ongoing at Featured article candidates/Kalki Koechlin/archive3.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:08, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Convinced? &mdash; Vensatry (talk) 06:01, 22 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I am not convinced on what is correct yet, but I am convinced that I am confused. Thus, I suggest that you ignore my concerns about WP:MOSTENSE, until further notice. I am quite pleased with the other issues of this review. I can now Support--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:28, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Comments by  –. Hi,. I have performed [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Freida_Pinto&diff=720517972&oldid=720322309 several edits] on Frida's article to help it qualify for a Featured Article promotion. Ping me back soon and I will !vote on it. Cheers! 11:17, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for polishing the article. &mdash; Vensatry (talk) 16:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Comments

 * Remove Twitter from the external links, per WP:ELNO.
 * It's her personal (verified) account, so it's very much acceptable per WP:BLPEL. &mdash; Vensatry (talk) 12:25, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * cnn.com --> CNN.
 * Oops, fixed. &mdash; Vensatry (talk) 12:25, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Is "Alt Film Guide" a RS?
 * Replaced. &mdash; Vensatry (talk) 12:25, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * What's ref 1 is for, to source her name? Or else you can place that at the end of her DOB.
 * It's for the 'Selena' part. Moved to infobox. &mdash; Vensatry (talk) 12:25, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Yashthepunisher (talk) 11:14, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comments. &mdash; Vensatry (talk) 12:25, 21 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Support this nomination. Yashthepunisher (talk) 12:30, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review, Yash. &mdash; Vensatry (talk) 12:50, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Coord note -- I didn't notice image or source reviews above so have listed requests at the top of WT:FAC, unless one of the reviewers above would like to do the honours... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 07:41, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

Image check - all OK

 * All images are licensed under Creative Commons with sufficient source and author information.
 * Derivatives are clearly labelled with attribution of the originals.
 * Originals of Flickr-based derivatives show no signs of problems on Flickr. GermanJoe (talk) 00:23, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, GermanJoe! &mdash; Vensatry (talk) 11:03, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Source review
checking now. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:35, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Joshi, Tushar ref used 3 times - material faithful to source
 * Ramachandran, S. ref used 4 times - material faithful to source
 * Daijiworld Media ref used 4 times - material faithful to source
 * The Tribune (Chandigarh). ref used 4 times - material faithful to source

Ok looks in order. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:42, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review. &mdash; Vensatry (talk) 05:54, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 13:55, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
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