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Frilled lizard

 * Nominator(s): LittleJerry (talk) 00:10, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

This article is about arguably the most recognizable lizard in the world. I used a fair amount of scientific peer reviewed articles that cover nearly all the most important facts about the species. It has gone through a good article review which included a spotcheck and image review. I think we're almost there. LittleJerry (talk) 00:10, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Image review
 * Suggest adding alt text
 * Don't use fixed px size
 * I have to for the cladogram. Otherwise the images will be giant. LittleJerry (talk) 13:10, 24 January 2023 (UTC)


 * File:Chlamydosaurus_kingii_engraving_by_Mr._Curtis_1827.jpg needs a US tag. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:22, 24 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Done. LittleJerry (talk) 13:08, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Comments from Jim

 * Its distinctive appearance has been used in media &mdash;perhaps depicted?


 * The specific name, kingii, is a Latinised form of King's last name. &mdash;perhaps The specific name, kingii, is a Latinised form of King?


 * Grey’s cartilages &mdash;not linked or explained


 * The frill displays a variation of colours from west to east &mdash;perhaps add across its range. I wondered momentarily why the colour depended on the lizard's orientation


 * soil draining &mdash; soil drainage?


 * do so while feeding or to escape from predators&mdash; Hunting, rather than feeding


 * The species has been featured on some coins. &mdash;bit vague, no indication even of which nation's currency


 * I fixed a couple of obvious typos too Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:46, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Fixed all. LittleJerry (talk) 22:27, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support I can't see any other obvious problems Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:17, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Comments

 * "which is when spends" - missing word
 * "The species is cleared to be" - is "cleared" the right word there?
 * "analysis of the species across its range using" - using what? There seems to be at least one word missing here
 * Which variant of English is this article written in? I can see "center" (American) but also "behaviour" (British) (but also "behavior" as well)
 * "The colours of the frill varies" - the subject (colours) is plural, so the verb should be too
 * ''It now says "the colours of the frills varies", which is still incorrect..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:24, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 23:18, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * "Consumption of ants drops after early dry season fires but raises" => "Consumption of ants drops after early dry season fires but rises"
 * "it watches for potential prey from a tree and upon finding it, climbs down" => "it watches for potential prey from a tree and, upon finding it, climbs down"
 * "many "captive bred" lizard" => "many "captive bred" lizards"
 * "Frilled lizard may also" => "Frilled lizards may also"
 * "portrayed with a similar looking neck frill that raised when attacking" => "portrayed with a similar looking neck frill that rose when attacking"
 * Last image caption is not a complete sentence so it doesn't need a full stop -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:32, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Fixed all. LittleJerry (talk) 19:48, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support - nice one -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:33, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Support from Gog the Mild
Recusing to review.


 * "spending most of its time in the trees." Do we need "the"?
 * Removed. LittleJerry (talk)


 * "which is when it spends more time near or on the ground." Similarly, do we need "which is"?
 * Removed. LittleJerry (talk)


 * "scare off predator". Perhaps link to Deimatic behaviour?
 * Done. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * "Its distinctive appearance has been depicted in media." Almost every species has. Could you either elaborate or delete.
 * Removed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * "an expedition conducted by Captain Phillip Parker King from HMS Mermaid." "from" → 'in'.
 * Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * "a Latinised form of King". Lower case k.
 * That's a last name. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Whoops.


 * "and weighs around 600 g (1.3 lb)." I think you mean 'and can weigh as much as 600 g (1.3 lb)' or similar.
 * Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * "thick head". What does this mean? Broad? Thick skulled?
 * Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * "and long legs and a tail". If you have to have two "and"s (I don't think you do} could we have an additional comma?
 * Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * "The corners of its eyes". "its" referring to males, or all lizards?
 * Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * "over four times the animal's torso in diameter." 'over four times the length of the animal's torso in diameter'?
 * Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * " the lower jaw and Grey’s cartilage." I am unsure about this, but should that be ' the lower jaw and the Grey’s cartilage'?
 * I don't see the need. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * "The underside and lateral sides are sprinkled with dark brown markings that merge to create bands on the tail." Just for males?
 * Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * " more carotenoids than yellow and white frills" → ' more carotenoids than those with yellow and white frills'.
 * Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * "the latter two also lacking pteridines." That's not grammatical. Do you mean 'the latter two are also lacking in pteridines' or perhaps 'the latter two also lack pteridines'?
 * Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * "Yellow colouration has been linked to greater steroid hormones." Does "greater" mean a larger quantity or stronger (more effective) steroid hormones or something else?
 * Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * "as they can better spot prey from above." Perhaps 'as they can then better spot prey from above' or 'as this allows them to better spot prey from above.'
 * Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * References: could you standardise your hyphenisation of ISBNs?
 * Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:50, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * "The naturalist in Australia". Upper case N; remove "limited". And did you actually refer to the 1897 edition? Or to the 2017 ebook.
 * Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:50, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * "spending over 90% of its days up in the trees." Is it known where it spends its nights?
 * That's 24 hours. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Then it is unclear.
 * Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 15:09, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * "69 m (75 yd) per day versus 23 m (25 yd) for females". I suspect that an 'on average' and perhaps an 'in a study at [give location]' could be added.
 * Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 15:09, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * "To keep balance" ? 'To keep their balance' or 'To keep balanced'?
 * Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 15:09, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * "Prominent prey include". 'íncludes'?
 * Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 15:09, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * "upon finding it" → 'upon seeing it'? Find seems an odd word for a sit-and-wait predator.
 * Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 15:09, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * "Several species of nematode infest ..." Perhaps a paragraph break here?
 * Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 15:09, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * "many "captive bred" lizards are likely to have been". Perhaps 'many lizards for sale advertised as "captive bred" are likely to have been' or similar?
 * Changed. LittleJerry (talk) 15:24, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * "frilled lizards were eaten by some indigenous cultures". It may just be me, but can a "culture" eat something? Its members can, or something can form part of a culture's diet. You use the past tense: is it known when this consumption took place, and/or when it ceased?
 * Changed LittleJerry (talk) 15:09, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Schrire: add the ISBN (9780867842043).
 * Added. LittleJerry (talk) 15:09, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Gog the Mild (talk) 13:59, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Nice piece of work. Just a couple of points which may be down to my complete ignorance of AusEng: If you're happy you have it right, then all well and good, but I am contractually obliged to check. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 13:08, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Support
 * In Taxonomy you use "northwestern": is that how AusEng has it? (in BrEng it would be north-western)
 * In Relationship with humans you have "Archeological". Same question as in Br Eng it should be archaeological.


 * Fixed both. LittleJerry (talk) 21:16, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Src rev
This version reviewed. Numbers in brackets denote the reference number as of this version.

Formatting:
 * (4) William Saville Kent: the version you link to is the 1897 1st ed, which requires an OLCC identifier. If on the other hand you used a modern reprint, then it will have a 13 digit ISBN but should be re-linked.
 * Fixed.


 * (5) Guyot, Porter et al: As above: too early for an ISBN, use the OCLC. Suggest using the template.
 * No OCLC is given.


 * (28) DOI points to a landing page, not the journal itself.
 * Thats the doi given. If it does go to the article, then there's nothing I can do about it.


 * (30) Author: Shone is Shine.
 * Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 20:54, 10 February 2023 (UTC)


 * (35) Might need to add the template ...
 * Removed. LittleJerry (talk) 21:10, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Spot checks:
 * (1) How does this support the temporal range?
 * By the numbers (99.7 to 0.012 Ma). LittleJerry (talk) 20:49, 10 February 2023 (UTC)


 * (3b) passes.
 * (6) passes.
 * (8) How does this support the claim re. 10 million years?
 * See fig. 4 LittleJerry (talk) 20:54, 10 February 2023 (UTC)


 * (13a) Supports the claims wrt the head and frill etc but can't see mention of the tail length (esp as it's the last of three cites).
 * It's supported by cite 7. LittleJerry (talk) 20:49, 10 February 2023 (UTC)


 * (13b) passes.
 * (18b) passes.
 * (19a) passes.
 * (25a) passes.
 * (26) passes.
 * (30b) passes.
 * SN54129 13:51, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * , finished. LittleJerry (talk) 22:52, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, I was wondering if you felt in a position to either pass or fail this source review. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:31, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Yo, it is true I walked away soas not to fail it with an unclear head. Obviously, much more useful to fail it with a clear head. It's mostly OK, but where answers were required, they were not wholly satisfactory. Viz formatting, OCLCs are available at Worldcat and an article isn't a landing page. For spotchecks, linking to Ma. at least would help the average reader and which of all the figs is fig 4? Thanks for the nod though.  SN54129  13:49, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * , I added the OCLC and Ma. Figure 4 is here. I removed the DOI, it won't link to the article and I don't know what you mean by "Viz formating" LittleJerry (talk) 17:36, 20 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Pass source review. Thanks LittleJerry & Gog.  SN54129  15:33, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Funk

 * While this already has three supports, it could probably need one more review from a zoology editor, plus I was also asked to review earlier. Will have a look soon. FunkMonk (talk) 11:55, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * At first look, I think this article sorely needs a photo showing the entire body of this animal in profile and with the frill relaxed. Now there's one under Description approaching that, but here are some better ones:
 * Added first. LittleJerry (talk) 17:39, 20 February 2023 (UTC)


 * There's a bunch of duplinks which can be highlighted with the usual script.
 * Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)


 * "revealed three lineages of recent divergence" Diverged when?
 * Removed. Not made clear. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)


 * You use the scientific name in some captions for some reason, seems a bit arbitrary.
 * "Anatomy of the frill of the frilled lizard" doesn't sound right. Fixed other. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)


 * "It split from its closest living relatives around 10 million years ago." Based on what evidence?
 * Added. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)


 * "The frilled lizard grows to a total length of around 90 cm (35 in) and a head-body length of 27 centimetres (11 in), and weigh up to 600 g (1.3 lb)." You start in singular, so should be "weighs".
 * Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)


 * "with males being larger than females" By how much?
 * Not made clear. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Why is the image under Behaviour and ecology "upright"? Makes it harder to see.
 * Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)


 * "was portrayed with a similar looking neck frill that rose when attacking." Probably worth mentioning this was a fictional feature without evidence.
 * Not stated in source. Its already implied. If it really did have a frill, there would be no point in mentioning it in a popular culture section on the frilled lizard. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)


 * It had a prominent role in The Rescuers Down Under, not sure if worth mentioning, but some of the other cultural mentions seem pretty marginal too.
 * They are mentioned in journal articles or books actually about the frilled lizard. I'm not cherrypicking a book about Disney for a cite on its appearance in that movie. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)


 * "The following cladogram is based on Pyron and colleagues (2013)." No word on how it's related to these other species?
 * No. LittleJerry (talk) 14:24, 22 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Anything else on cultural significance to Aboriginals apart from just being food?
 * No. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)


 * The external links seem pretty random. Perhaps see if there is info there missing from the article and incorporate it instead.
 * Removed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)


 * "is a diurnal and arboreal species" These terms could be explained.
 * Fixed, arboreal is already explained right after. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Link termite at first instead of second mention.
 * Done. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Describe colouration in the intro.
 * Done. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Support - looking nice to me now. FunkMonk (talk) 14:32, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 17:12, 22 February 2023 (UTC)