Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Frost Bank Tower/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 15:32, 30 September 2010.

Frost Bank Tower

 * Nominator(s): TheAustinMan (talk) 22:10, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because I feel that the article has the qualities of an FA article. The article already has reached GA and the problems listed in the Peer Review have been fixed. TheAustinMan (talk) 22:10, 29 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment—the links to cedar tree and coffee shop link to disambiguation pages, and the external link to http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/la/at-austin/look-animalinspired-architecture-austin-063123l is dead. Ucucha 22:32, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Oppose, sadly. With barely 1,000 words of text, the article does not seem comprehensive. Most of the sections are rather skimpy; compare, say, with Trump International Hotel and Tower (Chicago), or Scottish Parliament Building; check out other building FAs.
 * Prose is problematic; a few examples from the earlier parts of the article, not a complete summary:-
 * "It has the title for tallest logo above ground in the city at 420 ft (128 m) which belongs to the logo's owner, San Antonio-based Frost National Bank, whose Austin headquarters and insurance division are in the building." Very clumsily phrased, and probably should be two sentences.. I think you mean "highest", rather than "tallest"; "which belongs to the logo's owner" is tautologous; is there really some official "title" involved? I suggest splitting and pruning  to something like "It carries the highest logo in the city, at 420 ft above the ground. This advertises the San Antonio-based Frost National Bank, whose Austin headquarters and insurance division are in the building."
 * Next sentence: "Notable tenants besides Frost Bank include the Austin offices of Morgan Stanley and Ernst & Young, as well as the headquarters of the University of Texas Investment Management Company (UTIMCO), managers of the Permanent University Fund." Offices and headquarters are not tenants, and weasel words like "notable" are best avoided. Thus "Also within the building are the Austin offices of Morgan Stanley and Ernst & Young, and the headquarters of the University of Texas Investment Management Company (UTIMCO), managers of the Permanent University Fund."
 * "In 1998, T.Stacy & Associates consolidated tracts of land at the site..." What site? We have not been given information about the location of the building, other than that it's in Austin.
 * I think that for large-scale constructions we say "plans" rather than "plan"; we have "called for" twice in quick succession.
 * "...it became the tallest building in the United States of America to start construction after the September 11 attacks." Tall buildings don't "start construction", they are constructed. Your phrasing on this point was better in the lead.
 * I also see MOS violations, e.g. "2 years" (two years), "4th" (fourth), "137 million U.S. dollars" ($137 million)

I think the article needs to be taken away and reconsidered in the light of the FA criteria, particularly those concerning prose and comprehensiveness. Regrettably, it is not close to featured standard at present, though there is no reason why it should not get there in time. Brianboulton (talk) 00:25, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment: I am concerned about the quality of citations. Authors aren't listed for articles that are probably authored.  The bias towards online sources indicates that a fuller literature search may be required.  Has this building been mentioned in architechtural or engineering journals or conferences?  Fifelfoo (talk) 01:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment: I echo the concerns above, and would also like to add that I doubt a gallery like that (a "oh, and here's a load more pictures" gallery) has a place in a FA. File:AustinSkylinefromButlerPark-Jun2009.JPG is not a panorama, and so I don't like the way it has been placed. (Copyright-wise, the images are fine.) J Milburn (talk) 01:32, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


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