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 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by GrahamColm 00:05, 14 April 2014 (UTC) [//en.wikipedia.org/?diff=604083195].

Fulvous Whistling Duck

 * Nominator(s):  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  10:25, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Let's go fulvous! I started expanding this article at the behest of Crisco 1492 so that an FP could be fitted in without losing other decent images. Once started, I realised that this is one of the world's most widespread ducks, breeding on four continents, and deserving of a better article. Although, predictably, much of the research has been in the US, where it is pretty marginal, I've tried to paint a global picture. Thanks to Crisco for proving tweaks and comments, despite being poorly, before I brought this to FAC.  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  10:25, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Support per my earlier talk page review. Images to follow. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:28, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Image review: All images appear to be fine. All of them by Wikipedians, except one which is derived from an image with an OTRS tag. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:34, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your text and image tweaks, review and support  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  12:49, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Comments from Aa77zz
The article is short but appears to be comprehensive.
 * Consider spelling out IUCN in the lead.
 * Done  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  06:36, 31 March 2014 (UTC)


 * "In flight, the wings are black, with no white markings." From the photo it looks as if only the undersides are black. The wing coverts are brown.
 * Clarified and added upperwing colour  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  06:36, 31 March 2014 (UTC)


 * upending or up-ending?
 * Both without hyphens now  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  06:36, 31 March 2014 (UTC)


 * "This species is gregarious and is usually found in small groups, although substantial flocks can form at favoured sites, and it will mingle with other ducks." The phrase at the end of the sentence seems to be tacked on.
 * Removed  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  06:36, 31 March 2014 (UTC)


 * nests "over water"? What does this mean? In a tree?
 * Close to water now  Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  06:36, 31 March 2014 (UTC)


 * "The downy ducklings are grey, with paler upperparts" This is rather vague. The chicks seem to have a prominent white band around their heads: see here
 * We have an image at File:DendrocygnaChicks.jpg Shyamal (talk) 04:23, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Added, the only RS I could find was Phillips! <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  06:36, 31 March 2014 (UTC)


 * When do the chicks lose their down?
 * When they fledge, do I really need to say that? <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  06:36, 31 March 2014 (UTC)


 * " Rice is normally a small part of the diet, and in Cuban rice fields the plants taken were mainly weeds growing with the crop." Strange change of tense. Is this referring to some study?
 * Yes, clarified <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  06:37, 31 March 2014 (UTC)


 * "It has expanded its range in the southern US and into the West Indies." Was it previously not present in the WI?
 * No, added 1964 date <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  06:36, 31 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Figure legend: "A flock at Pallikaranai wetland" Perhaps add "in India".
 * Done <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  06:36, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Aa77zz (talk) 16:40, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I came across this old (1922) but surprisingly comprehensive chapter by John C. Phillips on the "Fulvous Tree Duck" here. Aa77zz (talk) 18:15, 30 March 2014 (UTC) (I'm not suggesting that it is a useful source for the article - I just found it interesting as a historical document.) Aa77zz (talk) 22:10, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * And turned out to be useful for the chicks <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  06:36, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * many thanks for your review and helpful comments <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  06:36, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Support. Another excellent article from Jim. Aa77zz (talk) 07:41, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for support and kind words <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  09:56, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Comments from Shyamal

 * Useful to include historic names like "Whistling Teal" simply because these are all things that confuse people.
 * Added several following the etymology <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  08:43, 2 April 2014 (UTC)


 * The regional distribution for the S. Asian region in the map is a bit too expansive. It is far more scarce than suggested. Rasmussen & Anderton provide a far better and more conservative distribution for the region. (Will mail you the map image Jim)
 * Thanks, adjusted per Rasmussen <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  08:31, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * You need to add Rasmussen & Anderton to the map sources on Commons. Aa77zz (talk) 08:47, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd put in in the edit summary for the new version, but added to sources now too <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  09:40, 2 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Useful to link brood parasitism where other females lay in the nest, wish that article had a linkable section on intraspecific brood parasitism
 * Done <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  08:31, 2 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Some history of distributional changes in the US and Africa might help - also a bit on their interpretations
 * http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.2989/OSTRICH.2009.80.1.4.762#.UzpBG6LGc2Y
 * http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3809607?uid=3738256&uid=2&uid=4&sid=21103902306483
 * I've expanded the bit in "Status" using Kear and your Turnbull ref. I can't access that Ostrich ref, and the abstract doesn't even mention this species. Despite the IUCN map, which is wrong in Southern Africa as well as India, I'm not convinced that the duck is even found in the Western Cape, which is largely farmland and semi-desert. The SASOL guide doesn't show it as present that far south and west either, and Cohen and Spottiswoode don't even include it in the checklist at the back of their SW Africa guide. And (OR) I didn't see it there, nor expect too. I can't really do anything on that without the text <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  09:25, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, seen the Ostrich text and added a sentence to "Status". <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  11:44, 2 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Added material on hybridization
 * And thanks for hybrids <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  14:12, 2 April 2014 (UTC)


 * added some bits on call, behaviour
 * added to taxonomic history - Dendrocygna fulva
 * added India specific breeding period
 * added links to online content
 * Thanks for all the above, especially the Gmelin bit. I never came across a whisper of that in my searches <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  05:44, 3 April 2014 (UTC)


 * image caption "In flight, showing black-and-white tail coverts" - are there any black tail coverts? All my sources mention white upper tail coverts with the tail being black.
 * Amended <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  05:44, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Support Shyamal (talk) 07:52, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, not only for the review and support, but also for your help with sourcing and your additions <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  09:00, 3 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Comments looking over now. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:32, 12 April 2014 (UTC)


 * L ike other members of its ancient genus - hmm, the way the word is used, it would be best to link to something specific like Dendrocygna rather than genus. However, that would be a bit easter-eggish. Other problem is Dendrocygna looks polyphyletic so I suspect that needs an overhaul. I'd be tempted to use the word "lineage" and leave unlinked.
 * Followed your "lineage" suggestion <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  09:27, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd add a footnote as to what Anas fulva was/is.
 * Added a footnote saying that we don't now know what it was, with 2012 source. I assume that his type specimen is now lost <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  09:27, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Why don't the initials (abbreviated first names) of Gmelin and Meuschen have periods?
 * For consistency with the rest of the article, but now written in full for consistency with Vieillot. <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  09:27, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmm, sticking the male's weight without the female's looks odd where it is - I might move it down to where distinctions between the sexes are discussed.
 * I've added her weight to the text <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  09:27, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
 * works for me. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:43, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Otherwise looking ok. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:47, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for review <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  09:27, 12 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Support on comprehensiveness and prose. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:43, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Many thanks <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  16:36, 12 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Support based partly on supports & edits after comments by more specialist editors. A handsome bird, and anything able to invade Florida since WW2 deserves support! Only two points:
 * "Old and regional names include Large Whistling Teal,[5] Brown Tree Duck, Mexican Duck, Squealer and Spanish Cavalier.[14]" - don't some of these deserve redirects, & hence bolding? They could stay where they are in the text though.
 * There are photos of birds in London and Stuttgart, well outside the normal range given. Are these summer visitors or human-aided releases etc? Johnbod (talk) 15:43, 12 April 2014 (UTC)


 * I believe, per MOS:BOLD, that a redirect may be warranted, but bolding should only be for those synonyms in the lede. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:44, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmm, never seen that. I must say I often bold redirects outside the lead where appropriate, say if the term only relates to a particular section. But ok. Johnbod (talk) 15:53, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
 * As for range: I agree, it's odd how we don't mention if vagrants reach Europe, or if the birds may go to Europe outside the breeding season in large numbers. There's a mention of the US there, but I don't see Europe. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:46, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, and the African population is only said to move southwards, though Morocco is mentioned. Johnbod (talk) 15:53, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
 * @Johnbod, thanks for support. With regard to the two points made
 * FWIW, I've normally done what Crisco says, bolding the main names in the lead, and listing obsolete or regional lower down unbolded
 * Both the European images are in collections, there are no natural European records. I'll tweak the captions to make that clear (and that's why those images are so good)
 * <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  16:36, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks

Graham Colm (talk) 00:00, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
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